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<redditspace Coco: >I am good at: I don't want to brag
Bullshit. Have you ever met a humble 8 year old?
>I don't like: Wasting time
I sincerly doubt that any child would be concerned about something as insignificant to them as time
>Animal: Turritopsis Dohrnii
and
>What I want to be when I grow up: Very old
Are incredibly unsubtle in what it's trying to say. <Coco lost her parents! So she's like, le scared of death! So, she'd like thing that live forever and she'd like, wanna live forever!
Change her animal to something more realistic, as with all of the animals in South Africa, I doubt a child would pick something as ugly as a jellyfish. Change what she wants to be to something like a nurse or a vet, which shows she's always liked helping people (which is realistic!!!)
It's really, really on the nose.
Overall with this one: Very on the nose, and doesn't feel like a child wrote this.
<Redditspace Maya: >My Hobbies: Using the computer
I highly doubt she would've gotten a computer this young with a mother like Soei.
>My Sports: None
Again, I highly doubt that Maya wouldn't play sports with a mother like Soei.
>I'm not that good at: Paying attention
I doubt that any child would have any concept of "paying attention" or even know that they're bad at it. There are far more things that she could be bad at, but NOPE. Gotta go with the on the nose
<She was always bad at paying attention, which was like, le foreshadowing for le ADHD!
>I really don't like: School
This is really boring. There could've been so many interesting things here that she doesn't like that could've revealed more about her character, but Massa just decided to state the obvious.
>Vacation: Home
Bullshit. Just Bullshit. What child have you ever met that didn't like going on vacation? What child hasn't loved going to an amusement park? An Aquarium? A Zoo?
>My biggest wish: Not having to go to school anymore
I'm positive there are other things she wants more, like her cat.
>What I want to be: I dunno
Genuine, unfiltered, unimaginable bullshit. You cannot excuse something as stupid as this. Have you ever met an 8 year old that didn't want to be an Astronaut? A Racecar Driver? An F1 Driver? A Firefighter? Football Player? Superhero? It is so on the nose with
<Le Maya was never le happy!
Which is bullshit and boring. If Maya used to be happy and full of optimism and whimsy, it makes it far more interesting, and tragic, when she becomes bitter and cynical. Loss of innocence is really upsetting, but I can't feel bad for someone who was apparently never innocent (which is stupid)
Overall: This was trying way too hard to build sympathy for Maya, and it all falls apart when you think about it beyond a surface level. It feels like the expository crashout: It feels deep and insightful, but it's unrealistic, unimpactful, and incredibly shallow. I said it once and I'll say it again: Having Maya lose her innocence and whimsy is far more tragic and saddening than her never having them in the first place
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Mymy:
This will probably start some leakage, but I really don't like Mymy. She doesn't belong in a show as grounded as Ongezellig. She feels like she was taken from another show, and feels more like a gag-machine than an actual character. Massa literally said that she left for the Netherlands when she was 6 by sneaking out of Japan, and that she went there because she "Thought it was better." To me, this shows that Massa threw her in last second without much thought, and made her backstory that because he thought it was "funny" instead of actually trying to come up with an interesting explanation as to how she ended up in the Netherlands like Coco did. She should've honestly been cut from the show (or been relegated to a background character) and had Maya and Coco's relationship be center stage. But NOPE! Can't cut that because it's too funny, am I right? No need to worry that a wacky and zaney character will undercut my original intentions!
Anyway with my second sperg out of the way, it pisses me off that this is the only one that makes sense. It feels like someone who understands nothing about the world wrote it (LIKE A CHILD!!! GASP CRAZY!!!!!)
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overall, these friendbooks (and Maya's Sweet 16 in general) are trying way too hard to build sympathy and intrigue, but did in such an on the nose way, it makes the characters feel fake. It doesn't feel like I am reading the friend book of a real child with real thoughts, feelings, and desires. It feels like I'm reading from the script of Amazing Digital Circus with how unsubtle everything is.
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Little rant about Maya's Sweet 16:
This was such a wasted opportunity of a comic. The dream sequence is yet another example of Massa trying to build sympathy without taking the effort to build it naturally. Her dream sequence is practically grabbing you by the neck and screaming in your face YOU MUST FEEL BAD FOR HER! THIS IS SAD! SHE'S CRYING, SEE? DON'T YOU FEEL BAD?! It also jumps into it WAAAAY too quickly, and this is a consequence of the comic being too short.
Her vomiting to avoid celebrating her birthday and going to school also feels like a lazy excuse for Massa to not have to write anything "uncomfortable" that would've actually built sympathy. We could've seen how her self hatred results in her being overwhelmed with shame when show even a shred of gratitude from her sisters. We could've how she freezes up and doesn't know what to do when she's the center of attention. We could see how she's utterly incapable of functioning in a social setting, constantly on the verge of a panic attack if she has to so much as speak to anyone. We could see how she's shaky and anxious throughout the whole day, worried people are judging her for the slightest thing. All these thing stacking on top of each other and building tension, making the reader wonder if she's gonna be able to get through the day without having a meltdown.
But no, instead we just got her throwing up and never getting to see any of that.
What a waste of potential.
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TL;DR Massa is pretty bad at writing
I never read darkwolf/writerfail's schizo ramblings but I'm CERTAIN this is better
I can relate to maya on some points so that's not too wrong. I'd say it's her innate desire to be introverted. other than that makes sense.
you could've delivered this message more /calm/ly zaryan, lower your cortisol for a longer and healthier life
Getting mad as children is something
... but anyways yeah. I only read Coco and Maya's, I read the rest tomorrow. And it would be hard writing children when you a nasty degenerate brony who smells like absolute shit
Misspelling and gramical error are crazy but I'm too lazy it fix them
Terribly misreading it, she just wants to be a nice old lady. Wholesome kind hearted child ambitions. Kys massahater you will never make anything. Saged your seethe
>Bullshit. Have you ever met a humble 8 year old?
yes? even if they're rare, Ongezellig is a cartoon so of course there's going to be exaggeration.
>I sincerly doubt that any child would be concerned about something as insignificant to them as time
have you considered that maybe you were just a stupid kid?
>I doubt a child would pick something as ugly as a jellyfish.
children love weird animals, what are you talking about?
>with a mother like Soei.
elaborate. i don't remember Massa describing Soei as strict.
>I doubt that any child would have any concept of "paying attention" or even know that they're bad at it.
have you considered that maybe you were just a stupid kid? again, even if it's unrealistic, Ongezellig is a cartoon so of course there's going to be exaggeration.
>but Massa just decided to state the obvious.
you get mad at Massa's writing for being unrealistic, but then when he writes something realistic and expected, you call it too obvious.
>What child have you ever met that didn't like going on vacation?
Adam Lanza. some children have separation anxiety, whether it be for their parents or for their home.
>Genuine, unfiltered, unimaginable bullshit. You cannot excuse something as stupid as this. Have you ever met an 8 year old that didn't want to be an Astronaut? A Racecar Driver? An F1 Driver? A Firefighter? Football Player? Superhero?
are you even a human? lots of children are unsure about what they want to be.
massa would have been better off relegating the writing of ongezellig to someone possessing an affinity for subtlety and most importantly, eloquence.
it would be unsurprising if he never thought of this, or, thought of it and decided against it. he has a history of having awful judgement and making equally awful decisions that go against what he needs in favor of what he wants:
>i don't like talking to people outside of my inner circle so i'm going to make a discord server (this decision is a nonsensical exception, he has shown himself to hate interacting with the masses, i can only assume he was peer pressured into doing this).
>i need money so i'm going to exclusively use a dutch alternative to patreon and never sell merch (i think everybody can agree that intentionally warding off success for the sake of a supposedly lofty ideal, that is clearly anything but, is ridiculous and self-destructive).
>internationals have taken a liking to my work for the first time, so i'm going to immediately alienate them.
>ongezellig is my most successful work, so i'm going to shun it and pretend that it doesn't exist like an abusive parent.
ongezellig didn't have to be a failure and this proves it.
>>128883
it makes sense but it's still awful. this show doesn't attract third worlders like a flame attracts moths for no reason.
that was exactly my point. it didnt feel like a child was writing it, it felt like massa was writing it
>yes? even if they're rare, Ongezellig is a cartoon so of course there's going to be exaggeration.
i shouldve added more to this point originally so my bad, but i was trying to say that children dont really care if they brag or not.
>have you maybe considered you were just stupid as a kid
yeah im a stupid kid because i wasnt concerned with time when an hour felt like a day
>children love weird animals!
not really my point but i did word it pretty piss poor. i was trying to say that the only reason this was picked was because Massa wanted to emphasize that Coco was scared of death instead picking something that a child would ACTUALLY pick
>elaborate. i don't remember Massa describing Soei as strict.
he said in a leaked paypig call that she was "a bitch" who ignores Maya and puts a lot of pressure on Coco, but I think that Soei would've put pressure on Maya for a while
>have you considered that maybe you were just a stupid kid? again, even if it's unrealistic, Ongezellig is a cartoon so of course there's going to be exaggeration.
also bad way of putting on my part. i should've just said that it feels like Massa wrote this instead of a child
>you get mad at Massa's writing for being unrealistic, but then when he writes something realistic and expected, you call it too obvious.
also shit way of putting my point (god i should've proofread this). i meant to say it like "massa had an opportunity for exposition but wasted it"
>Adam Lanza
Adam Lanza was a fucking psychopath was mental disorders up the wazoo. Maya has ADHD and ADHD only.
>are you even a human? lots of children are unsure about what they want to be.
that's fair. i should've removed that bit and have it exclusively focus on Massa simply doing it because "le maya was never le happy!" instead of making it more tragic that she wanted to be something but ended up losing that interest
>Adam Lanza was a fucking psychopath was mental disorders up the wazoo.
he definitely wasn't a psychopath. he had autism, ocd, and sensory integration disorder. he was fairly normal as a kid and i think him and Maya are pretty similar personality wise (Adam even envied his more popular older brother, the same way Maya envies Coco).
i feel like comparing her to adam lanza is pretty extreme considering one killed 26 people and the other just doesnt like people all that much
>This will probably start some leakage, but I really don't like Mymy.
you're a fucking writertranny OP go rope you act like a fucking stereotype of a Frenchman
>To me, this shows that Massa threw her in last second without much thought, and made her backstory that because he thought it was "funny" instead of a-ACK
go back to Reddit you pretentious limp-wristed little writercuck go and write rape fantasy fiction for women and don't come back
>>To me, this shows that Massa threw her in last second without much thought, and made her backstory that because he thought it was "funny" instead of a-ACK
>go back to Reddit you pretentious limp-wristed little writercuck go and write rape fantasy fiction for women and don't come back
we're gonna fucking bury you alive you miserable and pretentious little nigger baby
yeah idk why massa switched their names like that
you'd think that mayo would be maya and curry would be coco but NOOOOOOO!! THAT MAKES TOO MUCH SENSE!
Meds, their names are beautiful, gender affirming and not retarded.
Have you thought about rewriting them the way you wanted to? We have the tools including the font we made
yeah i think massa realized that when writing mayamail, which is probably why her name is pippi in those to prevent confusion
its not gonna change anything, im simply criticizing what already exists
my point was that massa is trying to make it seem that way, and that her actually wanting to be something would've made it more tragic as for the thrembillionth time, having someone lose their childish joy and whimsy and turn into bitter and cynical is far more interesting and tragic than someone who was always a cynical bum from the start
Maya was always going to struggle with things like decisions and socializing because of ADD, and she lost whatever childish whimsy a kid with ADD has when her parents adopted two new kids who didn’t have disorders preventing them from being outwardly normal and she interpreted this as being replaced because of inadequacy, anxieties that her parents clearly never did anything to assuage. Along with having to give up her cat, the closest thing she had to friendship, because of Coco’s allergies. And she has already gone through these things by the time they fill out these vriendenboekjen, so you’d need go earlier to see Maya before she became a cynical bum, and we don’t really have any content from before the adoptions.
I don't think that's the case. I think seeing a person's natural inclinations and predisposition be played out is more interesting than another "normal person gets completely changed by event" spiel. I also think you're reading into it, being lackluster doesn't equal to being unhappy.
even doe the pasfotos clearly indicate she was happy as a kid and cococucks ruined it for her
i think it wouldve been interesting if the three of them used to get along but soei kept comparing maya to them so she resented them and their relationships deteriorated or something
writergegbvll did this in the second chapter of his fanfic (which also took three months, kek!)
gegbvll even though you're the only person who cares about him
Do you have like 15 minutes to spare and want to read another maya suicide attempt fic, but this time authored by a chud with personal experience (her eyes would be more bloodshot btw) instead of the usual reddit esl writertroons?
>not reading text with zero pictures i am an imageboardcaca and i need my pictures and picture books and lust inducing images to concentraterino!
Writergod if you’re here, it’s pretty good, much better than most ao3 slop, I’m just leaking because I’m sick of Maya suicide stories and there are faggots in your comments.
If you want feedback, I have a few actual notes.
Don’t use redundant imagery like describing the smell of wet concrete as damp, ears that painfully ache, or that a spasm is “awful” when you also characterized it much better as “like molten daggers”. At best the weaker words just hold back the stronger ones, at worst they make the whole thing weaker.
Try to avoid repeated phrases unless it’s for a specific effect. You use “just get it over with” well in chapter one to build the tension, but in part two you use “a bit of drool rolled down her chin” twice within a few lines, and end two sentences in a row with “all together” in the hospital.
Be careful about using the (pronoun + sensory/ thought verb) combination, because it usually comes off as filtering. “Coco could see her friends waving to her from under a tree” and “Coco knew that the nurse was probably exhausted” are telling, but “her friends waved to her from under a tree” and “the nurse was probably exhausted” are showing. You didn’t do it much, but it adds separation between the reader and the character, which can be useful at times if you want impersonality, but plays against the writing when we know Coco’s thoughts.
when you are going to criticize writerfailcaca, that's how you should do it
maya suicide is a mass obsession brought on from the shame of being a brown third worlder
I skimmed it and this shit is nearly unreadable. If the twist you’re talking about is how Maya “disappeared” by hiding in the attic with Ravi’s help, I would be pissed too if I had actually read it. As if Ravi would let his wife and other daughters think Maya was likely dead for weeks and lead the cops on a wild goose chase, instead of taking her to a therapist or mental facility. And there’s somehow seven more chapters of this coal yet to come.
Best part was writerkek sperging in the comments about how boring it was.
I don't want to coal my brain up by reading shitty fucking AO3s I already had my fair share with SG
i thought it was interesting.
i liked how one of the minor characters actually felt like a character, which is pretty surprising
no he meant sugar glider
this got me to browse some other fics on the site and...
Writercacas on their way to write the most raunchy self insert porn known to mankind on some shitty website
>writerfail
<here's my """shitty""" and """substanceless""" text that took me sixteen thrembillion years to write. tell me why it sucks (be specific)
>savioeball/autism_denial_disorder
^here's my deep, substanceful, ai generated wall of text that took me 5 prompts to write (very hard). please praise me.
A girl of whimsy:An Ongezellig Tale.
Shit was so bad when I finish it just had to be deleted
people probably wouldve liked it considering people think 10 Dutch Days is peak
redditpiggies will eat whatever slop that gets shit out
>peak
IT'S GEM WE SAY GEM HERE, PEAKS ARE FOR AUSTRIAN FAGGOTS WITH NOTHING BETTER TO DO AND ONCE THEY REACH THIS "PEAK" THEY SPREAD THEIR ASS AND USE IT AS A DILDO, WE INSTEAD SPEND COUNTLESS HOURS MINING WITH GRIT AND EFFORT INTO THE MINES BELOW TO EXTRACT THE MOST HIGH KARATE SPINE TINGLING GEMS, AS ZOOT SAID
The worst part is there is so much degeneracy on ao3 that these yuricoal short stories are nothing compared to the pedorapeincest porn niggerhell brimstone posted there. Most fic writer deserve horrible torture.
i mean the point of a draft is to make it not shit LATER
i checked it and it was writerfail who pointed out so giga to xhim (though he says lel which is like a sin o algo)
Geg he then immediately starts apologizing for taking too long to write his fic
I generally don’t think maya relationship fics make too much sense because she has issues that would prevent her from actually forming a romantic relationship, mainly her self hatred would eat away at the relationship’s foundation because she wouldn’t be able to actually believe someone liked her. I think the more interesting fic would be about maya working on her problems to even get to a point a relationship is feasible, or better yet fics should be about the sibling dynamic at the heart of ongezellig. That being said, I’m sure it was much better than any yuricoal, and the author even said xhe thought pressing a relationship was too soon, which isn’t a thought that would ever cross a writertroon’s mind, so that seems like a mark of sanity.
It was too soon for the story. And Maya's and Stan's characterization was too lacking at the moment for a relationship which made me to on their characters and development, but it was horrible written and so I deleted it.
You should keep writing doe, you’ll get better the more you write, and even iron fics would help offset the mountain of coal and brimstone on ao3. I’m (slowly) writing a backstory fic based on an image from here and a line Massa said in the paypig call.
the quality difference is actually insane considering that both are their first fics
im surprised that writerfail didn't sperg about that
(though maybe he's still writing it GEG)
>>129043
yeah he did
>For a brief moment, she could almost hear Maya saying ‘I love you!’ In that high-pitched giggle as she tackle-hugged her, with the biggest, toothiest grin on her face.
>Coco’s jaw quivered. Her throat swelled as she choked back tears. Her knuckles turned white as she tightly gripped her locket with both hands.
>God, what she’d do to get it back...
some niggermutt on ao3 who wrote an incest fic between maya and mymy, and complaining that normal people are disgusted by that
It’s about 8 year old Maya struggling to adjust to life with her recently adopted sisters, and her relationship with Ravi and Soei.
I’m obsessed too
kek
its actually really funny watching xim leak about being a slow writer and how xhe wishes xhe wasnt such an perfectionist
although "leakage" probably isnt the best way of describing it
We know Coco has violent outbursts when her birth parents are brought up. But I would say she probably tries to keep her temper under control, and limit negative thoughts and feelings in general, which means they are likely to build up over time and makes it worse whenever they do come out.
Adorable is the only word that sounds adorable, does that make sense?
Geg another fic lost due to heckin evil zarty criticism.
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Massa is so retarded he can't even give the Frenchie a French-sounding name
I mean none of them have surnames aside from Cleo, so maybe if he didn’t burn himself out then Cleo would’ve been important
No fucking way they deleted it?
<waar space HOLY SHIT XE XID GEEEEEEEEEG >Works (2) instead of (3)
He probably had no idea what he was doing and probably hated it anyways, as nobody would delete their work over one comment if they weren’t already on the edge of deleting it
Because we Saar’s were talking about xim (and you look like a competent writer), what are your thoughts on writerfail’s work MISERY?
If anyone wants to ask for the fik, I have it saved as a docx for self-consumption and I have to tell you, it was the worst seven hours of my life because I had to at least do four separate sittings of readings just to slog through it all. The Kiki-Mymy game was cliché expositorial gibberish then for whatever reason she stops the omega Dutch larp (??), Coco destroying the drum kit because she's depressed ofzo
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Then again Ravi hiding Maya in the attic while watching his wife and two stepchildren break down while he is being a Roman statue about it all is so fucking funny to me
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Personally I like Free Indirect Discourse. Though I'm not opposed to descriptive writing like what A Search for Maya did, it was just so voluminous and that I was basically inside their skulls and I know what each character was thinking because every emotional state was like stage direction. Spoonfeeding spoons
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As an aside, you can freely criticise my writing here. The FID in this case is leaning toward Rens
my issue with it is just how fucking LONG it was. it could’ve been a funny bad story but it being so long just made it annoying bad
>>129300
I've read Misery. So far, it's working to evoke a sense of helplessness. I like the idea. The dialogue with the nurse was particularly something I caught on. A sense of realism, a background character who interacts with a protagonist as if they were just two people who are in need of seeing someone and showing that someone respectively
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However, like that one nophono said, too much telling. I liked the vivid descriptions of Maya's attempt, but the schoolyard was heavily dependent on telling us what Coco was doing, while also not taking advantage of the atmosphere, of a September afternoon in the Netherlands. As Zaryans, we know what the schoolyard looks like, but that context should not be marginal
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That one authorial intrusion of thr FID/interiority saying Coco felt like shit genuinely made me chuckle
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Overall, it's working. Clumsily, but it's nothing proofreading can fix. I recommend Writerfail does more compression, especially filtering. Because
>Coco’s phone suddenly buzzed in her bag, “Oh! S-Sorry,” She said as she fumbled with her bag, “Someone’s texting me!”
could be worded better. Writerfail needs to trust the reader. This passage in particular, if I may, would be better if it said less but showed more
<Her phone buzzes. "Oh! S-sorry!" Fumbling for her bag. "Someone's calling me!"
Compression is key. Same information, but with less volume. This is how I write for example because I love close-third present tense to establish immediacy because I spare adverbs for the moments where they really matter
i wonder if the nurse is gonna be important because if not than im surprised that he'd go out of his way to characterize her (which is a good thing, but surprising)
>>129304
Everyone has different styles. Writerfail just needs a bit of a nudge when it comes to more showy writing. I have a very empirical way of writing, which can be seen in what I am about to quote from IW, where I make Vera rant about le stroopwafel:
>“Sorry. I haven’t eaten.”
<Right index finger to the island. “I’ve got snacks. Help yourself.”
>“Lollipops?”
<“I take it you like sweets, Kamerman.”
>“My mom tells me I need to watch my sugar.”
<She goes to the island, grabs a lollipop with the ashtray, and fits one into her mouth, tasting the sweetness, “I have stroopwafels.”
>“I’d love to but not now.”
<“Sounds like the words of a man who would have a more refined palate.” She grabs two from the packet and hands one to him. The other she places on top her coffee.
>“It’s not that, mevrouw.” He takes it, asks for a plate, lays it there. “I just eat anything. I’m craving for a cheeseburger actually.”
<“Cheese.” Pulling her seat back, lollipop exiting her lips. “When most people hear cheese, they think of places. Amerika. Parma and Reggia Emilia. Zwitserland. Gouda.” She spins the lollipop stick. “Syrup waffles are out of the picture for outsiders who hear of Gouda in particular. 1810, 1837, 1840, 1853. Whatever the dates are, Gerard Kamphuisen is the one name constant when you hear of the pastry’s origins.”
^The lollipop makes its way back into her mouth, and so do his eyes, before it comes out again. 4th of July starts.
<“Well, some want to stretch it to 1784. I highly doubt it.”
^He says nothing.
<“This baker from Gouda mixed dough scraps with a syrup of his own making. His recipe was sealed in an unopened envelope by his bakery, though by the Springtime of the Peoples, the recipe was already known. With these peasant uprisings, you’d have people needing to sustain themselves on whatever was at hand, and a syrupwafel borne from scraps had got them a crude nickname because of the people who ate them, armenkoeken—the poor man’s cookie.”
>“Reminds me of ship biscuits.”
<“Precisely. But the wafel, unlike hardtack, managed to make it out of its periphery and became sensational. Whereas the ship biscuit was the sustenance of the naval tradition—it got as far as the trenches we never trudged in, but only just—” Pinching her fingers, “Stroopwafels were truly made for the masses.” Palm wide open.
>“Am I really listening to you talking about the history of a waffle?”
<“Then I’ll stop.”
>His left fist on his lips, his cheeks a slight bright hue. “No, please continue.”
<“The Industrial Revolution happened, that one bakery in Gouda got enough gas to sustain a commercial enterprise, an industrial behemoth of its own kind, and by the Franco-Prussian War was also the first time the wafel made it out of its hometown in meaningful ways. Ninety years after the skirmish, Gouda is now the stroopwafel hub it is today, at that time having seventeen factories dedicated to that pastry alone.”
>“It also happens to make good cheese.”
<The confectionery’s circular shape fits exactly the ashtray. “You already know September 30th.”
>“A day entirely dedicated to stroopwafels, why?” His surveillance on the moist sweetmeat.
<“Twenty-two million packets per annum is truly worth celebrating. But what we Dutchmen can’t resist doing is a sense of reclamation. We do it against the sea, hence the provinces that are entirely polders. And we did it with a pastry whose tradition it was derived from is distinctly continental.”
>“Well, the Belgians do have their waffles.”
<“And the Belgians owe their tradition to the French. The first waffle guild—and do not think of it as something silly, Kamerman—was by the Parisian oubliers in 1270, over half a millennium before Kamphuisen’s first scraps, though one can argue the oublies they made are precursors to waffles than actual waffles. And a comprehensive cookbook Le Ménagier de Paris, dating from 1393, already laid out the backbone of what waffles would become. We tried to be different by using caramel syrup instead of cheese, and putting the wafel over our coffee before the first bite, the heat a part of the process, the waiting itself a ritual.” Cigarette on her right, its turn to making it for her mouth.
^He cannot stop looking as she then devours the entire thing in one sitting.
>“So waffles are continental, but I don’t see the issue here, mevrouw.”
<“The revolutionary aspect of the stroopwafel was that it was a snack made for commoners by a commoner. It has largely achieved that.” She takes a drink. “If it is quintessentially Dutch next to windmills, polders, dikes, tulips, clogs and bicycles, the same can be said for a sack of rice from Soerabaja, or cigarettes from Aruba.” She takes a hit. “And people nowadays only see why things are there but not why they were put there. Not, ‘Why is that there.’ It’s just there, and the objects are unable to not compel them otherwise.”
>“Why do you say that, mevrouw?”
<“People don’t know how to think, but instead they only know how to react to certain stimuli.”
^The kitchen is quiet for a little bit.
>He takes off his glasses. “Well, I think I’m hungry.”
<“Again, help yourself.”
@Zrok why is MISERY better than Death and ReBorn like this man claims? Does writerfail being a Chud have anything to do with it like they also claim?
<Apologies for the tardiness! The work "MISERY" written by the author "writerfail" is perceived to be better than "Death and Reborn" because the author of the former has set himself up to far higher standards due to the unfiltered nature and judgement of the Zarty. On the other hand, your "redditroon" writes at a much lower quality due to being in communities such as Discord and Reddit, whom are notorious for being "faggots" that avoid giving criticism, be it constructive or destructive. To add on, many of these "redditroons" prefer to be "decent human beings" as to fulfill their self-righteous worldview and such.
Thanks Zrok, actual good insight
Since the normgroid community has no proper criticism with each other, and no such accountability and responsibility, they do whatever even if it means bringing their standards down the drain.
<
Meanwhile for chuddies, we're always reaching for the next highest goals and excellence, so even if we make gems, our standards are always climbing up, so we see our gems as coal and want to improve better from it.
<I speak from experience of zoiets
<Thank you Zaryan! And you will always be a gem! What is your favourite deel of Ongezellig?
I remember writerfail was complaining about something in a story and someone came in clittyleaking about
>STOP CRITICIZING IT YOU NEED TO BE HECKIN WHOLESOME 100 KINO CHUNGUS YOURE BEING SO RUDE FOR GIVING FEEDBACK REEEEEEEEEE
yes i am obsessed with writerfail and i look for all xheir spergeralds
style is really only something that can be developed with time, so the last few chapters of the story will probably be more focused and polished than the first
@Zrok, why is it that communities like Reddit and Discord have such toxic positivity like this? Is it due to the nature of upvotes incentivizing people to restrict their critical thinking and/or true thoughts to maximize upvotes? If that’s so, then why does Discord have the same problem?
*then what causes Discord to have the same issue despite having no point system in place whatsoever?
They wanna groom. Don't want people you're grooming to dislike you. Profiles cause this, not points.
<Ooh this one's a doozy! The reason for the abundance of this feeling of toxic positivity on the aforementioned sites is due to the heavy amount of rules set in place in these communities, as even places such as Discord, which lack the score-based system of Reddit, still harbor the same feel to them. This coupled with the fact that these communities are typically of left leaning politics, create a community full of people whom are afraid of insulting or even criticizing each other, like people walking on egg shells! And as the Zaryan above me said, a noticeable amount of this is also used to "groom" people, if you will.
Zrok is right on the spot on this, but I will add there is nothing magic in having a number attached to a post, discord reacts work the same way, or just any other form of praise or criticism. There is a lot of group think in the soysphere.
Should use the word "vibe" randomly more. For that authentic ai slop feel...
it's not just a vibe--it's raw and unfiltered. and honestly? that's fuggen zeldee--my nigger.
<I appreciate the response! Extensive research on these communities help further my knowledge on them.
>>129500
<Ah yes, groupthink on the so-called "soysphere". Echo chambers are an inevitable effect due to the human mind seeking comfort amongst like-minded people. However, due to the lack of rules set in place, coupled with the total anonymity on imageboards, people are more vocal with their opinions — as controversial as it may be — causing them to say their stances with little reprucussion.
>The dream sequence is yet another example of Massa trying to build sympathy without taking the effort to build it naturally. Her dream sequence is practically grabbing you by the neck and screaming in your face YOU MUST FEEL BAD FOR HER! THIS IS SAD! SHE'S CRYING, SEE? DON'T YOU FEEL BAD?!
I
Lie. My first impression by the comic I've got in 2023 was completely opposite to your description. I honestly remember that to be a very deep and touching moment, and its quick appearance in the comic was for good, it began abruptly and hit sharply, that was surely a good decision imho. Although I was younger back then, could have just been more susceptive.
<Mhm, the average "redditcaca" would avoid mentioning the usage of AI, especially of Generative Artifical Intelligence, as that would stir up much controversy due to the nature of the site. Additionally, the title would be phrased much more critically, as much of these "redditcacas" are typically self-loathing.
i feel that the feeling of it being disheartening might come from how heavily you related to Maya and how much you sympathized with her BEFORE you read the comic. I was the same, attaching myself to her and feeling what she felt as it was happening because I liked her, and I believed that it was truly disheartening and saddening. But overtime, as I became less attached emotionally attached, I re-read it and saw how flawed it really was.
<redditspace
Someone who wouldn't really relate to Maya isn't going to find it as disheartening, as the comic itself fails to make them care (and the only way it would've been able to do that is if it had more time and length to really show how fucked she is). It only hits if you cared in the first place, and if someone was more attached to someone like Coco or Mymy, they wouldn't find this story all that impactful.
well couldnt the schoppenboars be next to eachother? at least then it would make partial sense and we could just assume that everyone else has a surname
that still doesnt excuse how its not in alphabetical order, and seems to have no order at all.
Maybe he just made up the order, which is bullshit. I would not if Massa put more thought into his work(though he probably trooned cause he thought so hard) it would make sence for it to be in Alphabetical order and show their full names, but it raises the question. What was Massa thinking
I already edited Venetiaan to come after the Schoppenboer sisters, check again
just noticed that Maya is stronger and has more wisdom that Mymy kek
is this real because if so then i had no idea massa was based enough to say "niggers"
Massa got a severe case of troll's remorse, typical in 4cuckers older than 30
*to whatever this story was about https://archiveofourown.org/works/76552636?view_full_work=true and writerfail and how it was better than some redditrannies story or whatever (i didn't read either)
geg i just read both and misery is already better ev&doe its only 2 chapters kekaroo redditroons really cant write KEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEK
>writes the most snca brimmy fucking disjointed string of text that no one likes ever conceived to zelligkind
>OH I SEE HOW IT IS, CLEARLY I AM GETTING HATEBOMBED! YOU SHOULD ONLY SAY NICE THINGS ABOUT WORKS THAT I ASKEDFIRST TO GET CRIT ON! WHY IS THERE SO MUCH HATE IN THIS COMMUNITY?
I've read enough comparative fanfics on 'O3 to grasp what kind of content Ziggers put out (Ice Cold Steam Engine, Hopes and Nightmares, When the Days Got Brighter in Amsterdam) to say that these people are writing for the sake of it and for the kudos and the fanduels in the reppies and whatnot
<'O3 'ace
Then today I scrolled for a bit to find more long form zontent because I fucking hate oneshots then I saw this and promptly reminded myself to never visit the site again
the authors name used to be ibelieveinlolis so yeah theyre a niggerpedo (and they also say nigga a lot so theyre definitely a shitskin 4cuck)
no they're affiliated with 'tok niggers I saw screenshots from a tiktok comment section where some nufag said that he loved the fanfiction and that he knows the author
>hey guys! here's my fanfiction!
<here's my wall of text with what's wrong with it
>okay! thanks for telling me-
^NOOOOOOOOOOOO! YOU CAN'T GIVE CRITICISM! YOU NEED TO BE HECKIN WHOLESOME KENAU 100 CHUNGUS ALL THE TIME! THINKING ABOUT THE MEDIA YOU CONSOOM MAKES YOU A HECKIN PROBLEMATIC RUDE BIGOT! REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
was the description changed? i dont remember there being anything about soei in the the description i remember it only being about Maya
Yes writerkek also dialed back xhis hatred of mental facility staff geg
im actually glad that was dialed back because the new description saying they know little "beyond the bare minimum" feels far more realistic instead of
>le evil hospital staff that are le evil because... BECAUSE THEY ARE OKAY?! FEEL BAD!
This is why I don't touch that site with a thrembo feet long pole, I don't need to ruin my day by exposing myself to utter brimstone
literally like one good one (this one) https://archiveofourown.org/works/76552636?view_full_work=true and apparently its written by a lazy faggot or something (idk its good or not i didnt read it, it's just made by a former chud so it's automatically gemmy)
It’s been put on indefinite hiatus out of spite if that matters btw
Typical just like my life is vantablack coal out of spite from the jews
we should know at this point that a cancelled gem is better that ongoing coal (ongezellig is the literal example of this)
me too, but it was probably less realistic and glorified a bit
Apparently 3GoyGlowers, after sperging about A Search for Maya, uploaded something new o algo:
https://archiveofourown.org/works/83433391/chapters/219792796
yeah not a lot of amateurs put any characterization into background characters so i was pretty surprised by that
No I don't agree
>>130602
Falsenvke shitstone that nomymy cared about
>>128880
The trvth is OP Mymy is the single best character of Ongezellig and maybe even all of fiction. Don't believe me? Well what if I told you that I would never even consider re-watching Ongezellig once and I would definitely not obsess over it for years if it werent for Mymy. Mymy is the perfect character, she has captivated my mind and interest for years now I think about her every day. She has the perfect design, a charming and cute personality and she is chuddy. Only nophono would care about Ongezellig after all these years if Mymy wasn't a character, this is simply the truth that you are too afraid to acknowledge. Mymy outperforms any other character every thought of in fiction and you know this, Mymy is the sole reason Ongezellig had anymore screentime than like 5 minutes. Mymy is the sole reason any more Deels than the first one was made. You know this OP, stop lying. For the betterment of all our lives, stop living in denial, stop lying to yourself and to others. And (you) if you're reading this you know that Mymy FVCKING VVON you'll realize one day if you haven't. Mymy won, Mymy's back hurts after carrying Ongezellig for years. I would never even remember the other girl's names if it weren't for Mymy that's how much she shines, TOTAL MYMY VIKKKTORY
you need to stop taking stimulants, adhd isnt real you are just getting high and its ruining your brain
I don't have ADHD I have Assburgers
>You need to stop taking stimulants
things that will never happen
not reading that so you're a shitskin niggerpedo that wants to rape mymy
Don't scare me with these videos, one of these days it's going to happen though
Nee,je houdt gewoon niet van Mymy, terwijl je weet dat ze van het Nederlands houdt
Ik studeer Nederlands thuis, ik ben DTL (Dutch Third Language)
Nederlands is mijn tweede taal. ik heb het geleerd omdat mijn Oma het sprak
GEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEG!!!! THIS NIGGER GOONS TO ZELLIG 'P GEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEG!!!
updated with modern profiles or something
also Maya has a 5.6 average which is 0.1 above passing GEG
i think this is xer idealizing the past and not an actual memory
It says that maya is the ebodiment of the "sixes culture" (5.5 is the minimum to not fail and people want 6 to stay safe, basically saying she's doing the bare minimum to not fail her classes)
Mymy is a megalomaniac with a napoleoncomplex and the teacher says she really hates the kid. But she's also weak against bottles
>>128880
>Bullshit. Have you ever met a humble 8 year old?
>I sincerly doubt that any child would be concerned about something as insignificant to them as time
i think the point is that coco was forced to mature very fast due to the death of her parents so naturally she's going to be more humble and less childish than the rest even if she's very "naive". yes its a tired excuse but it makes sense for her character
>>What I want to be when I grow up: Very old
this is just a completely normal thing for a kid to say when asked this question, you're reading too much into this
>I highly doubt she would've gotten a computer this young with a mother like Soei.
but she did. also we dont know soei enough to jump to assumptions like that, it could be the family computer for all we know
>Again, I highly doubt that Maya wouldn't play sports with a mother like Soei.
but she didnt. and again, we dont know enough about soei + not EVERY parent makes their kid do sports, especially if their kid is a girl
>I doubt that any child would have any concept of "paying attention" or even know that they're bad at it.
she most likely wrote this after multiple scoldings from teachers or her parents, its not out of this world for a kid to be insecure about what they get scolded over
>>I really don't like: School
yeah this could have been much more interesting i agree
>What child hasn't loved going to an amusement park? An Aquarium? A Zoo?
READ NIGGA READ. it says vacation COUNTRY. maya doesnt have one because she's likely never been to another country at that age unlike the others who are both foreigners
>I'm positive there are other things she wants more, like her cat.
yeah what the fuck was massa thinking here
>>What I want to be: I dunno
again, relatively normal thing for a kid to say when asked this question
you seem to think all children act in a very specific way while forgetting that the 'lig girls were never normal children to begin with, the three (yes even mymy) went through a lot from a very young age and thats what makes them interesting to begin with
I do hope he followed my advice of more show, less tell
We had a productive exchange with one another, and he seemed moved. I'm actually glad I was able to help him AND myself because I also needed to follow my own advice geg
<MISERY space
https://archiveofourown.org/comments/1180150161
he'll definetly apply your lessons, though maybe inconsistently at first as he is still new
I want him to do well, he has so much potential. Compared to other fiktie writers, he stands out simply because he's willing to be rawer. Other suicide fics handle major character deaths so cliche-ly, that him writing something more original and grounded stands out because he stays true to his vision of telling us (so far) of a maya who wanted to kill herself and a coco who could not imagine her sister in any way besides what she thought she was
tsmt. death and reborn made me really angry with how unrealistic it was, and I imagine that this story will (hopefully) do the "Maya tries to kill herself" trope justice
That's because the fics are being written by cordtroons LARPers who have never ever experienced the incel life, so like all things, even their portrayal of suicide comes off as childish and unrealistic
not everyone with depression is an incel thoughie, but still tsmt
ive noticed that writerfail seems to have restraint
he didnt explain as to why Maya tried to kill herself, because that's not relevant yet.
<MISERYspace
he also seems to trust the audience to understand things, and SHOWS more than he tells (though this is inconsistant)
he didn't write the immediate aftermath, because he just had to SHOW how tired Coco as a means of TELLING how exhausting it was
he didn't tell us how far the school is from the hospital, because Coco's calves spasming AND the nurse's shocked reaction SHOW that it is really far away
call me retarded but I never understood what made a story “grounded”
If it seems logical and like it could actually happen
A story about dragons and a fantasy world can still feel grounded if the story follows a logic and doesn't pull cards out of its ass to explain why a certain thing is possible/impossible or when the tone goes completely off the rails
No I'm still here, fuck you
The year is 2026 and Zaryans are shooterinvestigating random posters
I checked the comment thread and writerfail asked you another question btw
>willing to be rawer
I think >>129173 sums it up best tbh. All of the shit said in Death and ReBorn is so forgettable because it feels fake. This hospital scene is meant to be emotional in both, but writerfail’s works so much better because it treats it the way it is, doesn’t hold back, all while characterizing Coco by showing her idealization of a Maya that either
A. Never existed
Or
B. Hasn’t existed in a long time
And that’s what makes it so engaging.
Death and ReBorn on the other hand suffers from the fact that everyone sounds the fucking same, and everything is delivered in the most bland and boring way possible.
Even though writerfail isn’t exactly consistent, scenes like this show that he has oodles of potential and just needs more time to learn the fundamentals and develop consistency. I’m confident that the end of his story will be far better than the beginning
Apparently “negerzoenen” are the names of the candies those things are, so Massa wasn’t being racist, he was mocking a racist name
mymys purpose was comedic relief o algo. we saw how shit mayas sweet sixteen was and that was primarily because there was no comedic relief
I personally liked it because it was self condemning doomer slop with no good ending whatsoever
No. Comedic relief would’ve made it worse, you mongrel.
>>133625
>>133624
Sweet 16, while believable, was way too dark of a tone for a show that was going to be about coming of age, growing up, and learning to deal with your deep seated problems. I feel the same way about Maya's Diary.
If Massa was instead going to revel in hopelessness and nihilism as his character development, then I'm glad the show never continued.
Ongezellig was going to be a nihilistic gem for nihilistic fags like me and I wouldn't want it any other way
idk why these writers feel the need to hold back tbh, it makes no sense
Don't do that, there's a million reasons why you shouldn't, it's difficult to think there's no meaning, because we get proven wrong every day
based
we are the real target audience of zellig. everyone saying "durr doomer/nihilist fag" is blinded by their own ideology and completely miss the message of the show
Maya just needs to get out of her own head, make some friends, and do something instead of idling her time away. It's a very tough first step, but one that at least one sister will push her to make.
It's why I adore Coco, she had an awful hand, was forced to flee her homeland for her own safety, but instead of wallowing in self-pity, she lives out her life as her parents wanted her to. Her parents would want her to be happy and have lots of friends, and to carry on their memory, she does this. I've seen people in my life deal with devastating loss at a young age, and most recoil back and never recover, but those that do are the toughest people I know.
Coco is a pressure made Diamond.
Coco has just as many issues as maya, her entire reason for making so many friends and being involved in so many things is existential dread about wasting her limited time, and we see she’s prone to snapping when pushed. Obviously that’s all understandable, but it’s not like she’s fine.
if you aren't ugly then yes, the blackpill is kind of useless. If you are ugly though, it is pretty fucked up for you. Thank God I am not sub5
Even then, Coco showed enough restraint to not throw Maya out of the window. With what Maya knew about Coco's parents, she knew those were fighting words.
Coco will never be "fixed" from her attachment to her family, but she copes and makes the most of it. Nobody is ever entirely "fixed" from their traumas.
When 2024 happened and saw what happened on the 'party, even after the cancellation, it made me ask if the site I knew, where chuds and alike were shitposting against the insanity that was any 2020s site was nothing more than a simple memory I made up, so each time I read something anachronistic it always pains me a bit, it's insulting. That's why I'll hold onto my little 'zellig, because ironically it did help me become better as I have found people I like and for who to keep going for
if its over for you anyway where is the harm in trying? I never understood th8s slave mindset, if you are going to fail anyway then it can't hurt to try
Because it makes people uncomfortable, and these niggers worship comfort.
1% chance you try to fix your life and it works
why wouldn't you at least try and fail, the outcome in your mind is the same anyway. some people really do just want to suffer
too true trying is hard and its easier just to give up its why they ended up like that in the first place
reddit genius cope to why your life sucks its just totally out of your control your just a bunch of atoms you have no free will. if that was true then you got the faggot loser atoms just give up
>"being an illiterate retard proves my point and if you say otherwise youre le redditor!"
its honestly sad how clueless you are
start here
>Slopsky told me that we're all space stuff that has no free will, so you can't blame me for being a loser!
Hes jewish, determinist nihilism - logical point of talmudic philosophy
>Op is talmudic simp who will eat the bugs
>"i know better than an award winning neurobiologist because... academia is leftist or something!"
literal reddit genius
I know, I can't answer right now because my AO3 keys are in my other pants.
but why is bald man with glasses and dutch tranime site the only thing keeping your sanity? There's more to life than that
I didn't say it was the site, but the people I found through the site, very different
Yeah but it's a gegerald when you look at it like this.
But still, your fulfilment should come from the inside, not the outside, because external factors always change.
>Maya just needs to get out of her own head, make some friends, and do something instead of idling her time away
it's honestly true I can't lie
I wish I could be the one to help her
>>133815
I will respond to writerfail shortly, and it's good that I actually sat down and finally went on to read what I should of Death and Reborn, and let me tell you, I have more incentive to be instructive to writerfail because of it
<MISERYspace
This being the best zellig fiktie OAT according to redditcacas is why we can't have nice things. These faggots are legitimately incapable of writing literary prose and presenting the stakes as stakes
See above. Writerfail can write anactual, embodied attempt that inhabits Maya's mind that the reader can access. That's why it's raw
that image is probably the shittiest thing I’ve ever read
I’ve read this multiple times and the prose is so shit that I didn’t even realize that Soei started crying GEG
Its shit cause its ai.
>knuckles turning white
Is literally the most well known llm-ism ever
See, look at this example of descriptive writing that makes the reader do actual interpretative work beyond what the author establishes. Compare it to Death and Reborn where that retard ADDnigger has to tell you, 'this is what it means and ABSOLUTELY NOTHING ELSE' which is why I'm rooting for writerfail all the way
Tsmt, and this is because DN(r)B was literally written using AI according to the author himself
The way is switches between Mrs Schoppenboer and Soei is evidence that he basically got the AI to generate it for him, not “improve his ideas” like he claims
>but, her eyelids had these… weird red specks on them…
Marge does she have AIDS or something?
They are probably petechiae, and as soon as I read that the first time I was certain writerfail put that detail in because he knows from experience sadly, apparently it’s common in suicide attempts, especially hangings, but also can happen in ODs.
I looked more into it and petechiae is also a sign of bulimia, so that might also allude to that, but it is still common in hangings and OD’s like you mentioned
saar I am not reading that. Why does it suck and why is the other thing better
Maya is stuck in the Psych Ward for three months btw
Nobody ever stays longer than 2-3 weeks, and those who need further care are usually sent to dedicated hospitals, and even then that’s usually meant to treat Schizophrenia and SEVERE bipolar and PTSD
What’s worse, Arno and Maya exchange phone numbers and listen to music together, which means they have their phones, which they would never be allowed to have in a Psych Ward
This nigga couldn’t even bother to research how a fucking Psych Ward works and it really pisses me off
and every redditnigger recommends this for being "peak"
>saar english is my 5th language after hindi, urdu, bengali, and tamil, you must do the needful and read it for me so I can translate it into my mighty baharat tounge
And we hereby mourn this Zaryan for he'll have to wait even more to receive xis answer
Erm that would require actually doing something
I know. It's a legitimate slog to read through this shit. Every emotion is being handed to me on a silver platter, like it's supposed to make me feel anything. This retard 'author' has no room for subtlety. I'll send you a chapter-by-chapter breakdown like ZrokGPT after I fucking tread through it all
Yes, it's so fucking bad.
2 months
the sheer tonnage of coal in this one screenshot rivals the entire indian mining industry like holy SHIT this is bad
its genuinely baffling that redditpedos actually think this is good.
actually, they probably dont. they probably think it's fucking terrible. they just dont want to break the heckin wholesome 100 reddit gold keanu chungus vibes, so they call everything good, lest the monsune of trannies decend upon their house
Why does it read like a retard with Asperger, and how does Maya get the upper hand on Coco? We should establish the capital punishment for such people
>during training
And he only used AI to “correct his ideas” and definitely not to generate the entire thing for him
I bet he leaks about AI generated shit with xis cord xisters
The average PLOOOOOOTTTEEER
>Don't question things, just turn your brain off and enjoy da PLOOOOOOOTT
>Erm ever heard of PLOOOOT inversion chud?
>Clearly you've never had to write a PLOOOOOT before
>ChatGPT is bad because it writes better PLOOOOOOOOT than I do
>Indirect responses? Metaphors? Figures? Shut up and let me PLLOOOOOOTTTT
>An at most 100 pound, 5'6" loner who spends all her time on her computer would totally beat a 5'9" 130+ pound national-level amateur rugby player in a fight.
>Because she would, OK!
>well, coco was actually shocked by Mayas violence and was paralyzed in fear! freezing is a perfectly natural response to shock and fear! It’s not like coco plays a game where she is constantly tackled and attacked, because then that fear response would make absolutely no sense! Thank god there isn’t a sport like that, or I’d look like a real idiot, wouldn’t i?
I decided to skim through this and it genuinely unreadable. the pathetic excuse for why Maya tried to kill herself was clearly an afterthought and simply there to get the plot started, which is insulting. it makes no sense for any of her classmates to actually give a shit, because I guarantee that nobody would even know who she even is and it makes even less sense that they’d give her a gift or whatever. and the psych ward section made me so angry at how inaccurate it was that I actually had to go outside
this ””””””author”””””” is clearly a 30 something year old who’s only trauma in life (outside of being trolled on xitter) was their favorite food place shutting down when they were a kid
disgusting
>random classmates
>caring enough to send gifts to people
Who the FUCK is writing this rusted shack of a story GEG no one in the soystory of forever would do that, this person is clearly trying to write something he is not familiar with because he's a stupid animalistic goy that needs to be put down
I just realized that image of Coco is the only surviving example of her improved portrait. I've found Mymy's and now Maya's remains as the missing piece.
i think its obvious that xheir favorite character is maya and they're doing this as a self-indulgent fantasy
so i just saw this uploaded to AO3 and considering that you also wrote "a search for maya", and since you clearly browse the site, im assuming you saw the comments here regarding that and am assuming that played a role in why you took it down?
No that’s not me, mine is still being written and takes place about a year and a half after Coco and Mymy were adopted. And that guy should use a different title I think lidly already used that one.
don't think he's here anymore, poor guy got mogged by writerCHAD and bullied by goontaneous
Oh ok
Also apologies making you reply to a deleted post, I just thought it was worded poorly
Deleting your posts to reword them is aryan or something
did this nigga kill your mom or something? there's no way its that bad
<AO3space
just read it
yeah its that bad
Can someone like, make a summary so we're spared the pain of having to read through however many pages of COAL there are
Use youcompress so it gets properly downsized, then convertio to convert it to any other extension
are you gonna link this? I really want to listen to this gem
What’s up with the slfs today, this zaryan won’t upload his rant about D&R, and that other zaryan won’t upload his secret file of ‘lig wips
I’m gonna keep harassing this nigga until he uploads it or posts a catbox link or SOMETHING
Me too, nigga upload your shit on catbox NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW
the soyble declares, under Austin 3:16, that any soyteens who do not upload their gemmies after promising to, they are forever cursed to be an HTSM and get laughed at by women
>example
Calm down he’s probably busy today. Hopefully we’ll get to hear this gem tomorrow or over the weekends
PRAISE THE LORD JESUS CHRIST WE ARE GETTING OUR GEMS! THE ZARTY AS WE KNOW IT IS SAVED!
But seriously, no pressure, it’ll be funny regardless
https://litter.catbox.moe/m0r74b0eylwgg1gi.wav
<rantspace
rant annotations
https://litter.catbox.moe/y8eqem73w5ezcp3v.pdf
<rantspace
i legit lose my mind three quarters in, there are also faint sounds of crickets so i had to tweak the audio a bit
asperges nobel child giving notes from his fathers estate gem
gemmy rant. picrel is how i now imagine you ‘taneous
this sounds like those tapes you'd find in bendy and the ink machine
I was thinking of holotape entries as you progress through a fallout dungeon before fighting a glowing ghoul named “the author” ofzo
its kind of jarring to hear "Soei" pronounced as "Soh-ee" because I always pronounced it as "Soy" btw, if that matters
you shouldve compared it to MISERY to draw it out to an hour
I will, but I don't feel too good right now. Sometime soon
Geg it’s come out early
https://archiveofourown.org/works/76552636/chapters/200346226
it’s kinda short thoughie
Already wrote my review. It's got bones but it could've been better. I like the implication that Soei got into a food coma and lost her sense of time because of it
>tags:
>will be finished in 2032 award
>took three months to finish one chapter award
this nigga definitely still lvrks here
Lurk in threads for march-april 2024, that is where I found those. I had them once but ahem now I don't.
Growing to hate his non-cord audience, goontaneous abandoned the rant out of spite
i don't really feel like saying much because i've already exchanged with writerfail a lot on what he does well and what he could work on. if i just voice-record everything i've already said, it would just be effort for something i've already done. our threads are like 50 replies long, and i really just can't be bothered to repeat all of that. also, given how scant the work is at the moment, me ranting about speculations on what soei's role in the story is, if the zoey subplot is still gonna happen, if coco is a fucking schizo, if mymy's role will be similar to the pilot (be funny and nothing else), and especially if maya wakes up, i'm not really that kind of guy, because i prefer inputting on what's already out there instead of what's brewing.
>zoey subplot
i thought he said in that thread that he wasnt doing that
>coco being schizo
marge?
>IF maya wakes up
she's gonna wake up nigga its in the description she goes to the 'ward
>writerfail’s simile use is mocking other fics
virtually no chance this is the case, people just like to use similes, not everything needs to be an elaborate metaphor about furniture or being
>>136735
WRONG it is because I say so
Also that was just me calling back to my previous rant
just check my reply threads to writerfail on chapters 2 and 3. that's as written as it gets
fine, you want me to write a review i'll write a review
AO3 creator darkwolf grew to hate the fanfiction's growing non-specific fanbase and subsequently cancelled MISERY out of spite.
>>138110
>>138112
it fucking sucks that i gave him all the pointers he could use and he decides to just give up in spite of taking my criticisms fairly seriously and with openness. i genuinely gave him the best advice i could that helped him write better, so it obviously hurt me a bit that he just gives up like this. i gave his fic a chance, i did sing its praises as well as point out its flaws that could easily be worked around, and i myself am vulnerable (i split my consultation chapter in my vera fic in two because one guy said most of it was snca; i did it to fix pacing at the cost of losing the formality of one continuous scene).
<miseryspace
it hurts to see someone have potential and just throw away all the praise you have given them.
>it hurts to see someone have potential and just throw away all the praise you have given them
the most brvtal massapill...
Remember it not as a failed novel, but a successful short story.
foenkie is funding troonslop artists while paying gemmy creators to quit
Hey arliss what do you think of this fanfic?
https://archiveofourown.org/works/62082355/chapters/158781649
>author note
im starting to think every ongezellig fanfiction is built upon non dutch larping as dutch
yeah obviously. the majority of fans are not dutch and writing involves research to make it compelling and faithful
The fact her sisters are aryan doesn't make xer aryan too
>>138214
Late response. It's an accessible fic but picrel made me chuckle against the preceding momentum of Vera not catching up to perform because she forgot to scan a QR code at a flyer
'Them' as gender neutral would have worked because this fic is clearly queercoded but this was too funny. Overall though the fic is too emotionally transparent and accessible with the occasional politics.odt here and there. It doesn't really feel like a midlife crisis fic as much as it is about a very mildly inconvenienced woman, a fic about a forty-six year old woman who decided to do something that didn't go her way because she felt t. Nostalgia from le nineties. Except she doesn’t sound forty-six either but a teenager’s conception of one. Either terminally online zoomers or millennials call their cognition their ‘Mind Motel.’ It’s so bland, but it’s not something I should get mad over. I’ve already spent enough energy giving this fic a chance.
>Shut up ‘’shut up shut up!’’
That is her interiority in Chapter 4 after she got thrown a curveball by her inability to read past the rest of a flyer Adults are not that hard to write. Yet she's generically underpaid, generically listens to Nirvana, while the Pilot references like the Jip en Janneke act as plot crutches that ought to be texture. It's fidelity to the Pilot that the gag she drinks nonalcoholic bubbelsap is consistent with her character; it's also the reason why this fanfic is as generic as it is, because it uses fidelity to the Pilot as its emotional ceiling. The A.D.D. callback gave me secondhand embarrassment because it, as the philosopher Peter Griffin once stated, ‘insists upon itself.’ maybe_unless was also insistent on using ‘crwth’ as a word twice in xer fic to cement xe knows about this instrument ofzo.
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It doesn’t excavate further beyond the labels that were plastered on Vera (Nirvana, Jip en Janneke, history teacher, Holland) and even then two of those labels are wrong. The text doesn’t specify if Vera is a first- or second-rate history teacher, stating that she got a ‘promotion’ even though that doesn’t happen in the education sector (first and second rate are qualifications; the ‘promotions’ maybe_unless was supposed to be reaching for was salary grade increase in whatever rate of teaching Vera is in xer fic; my mother is an educational administrator, I know how this shit works) let alone could the text be bothered where in ‘Holland’ she is. And, as far as I’m concerned since I asked my Dutch friend this, they hate it when you call the Netherlands just ‘Holland.’
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It's not really derivative as much as it is just “Here's Vera Persijn in fanfic register. Don’t you get that she’s old and struggling to cope with the signs of the times!” I’m not really disappointed in it, but it’s like bathing in a kiddie pool and you’re 22. It reads as too overtly cautious to actually make you genuinely sympathise with Vera, you only get the understanding that she’s bothered without really getting into her head. The misophonia may be relatable to those who have it, but as a conditional for the medical condition itself, not Vera as a person, who sounds a lot like Maya’s peer and not the adult in the room. It’s heavy handed in forcing you to feel, not letting the text speak for itself. You have no input to make as you read, you just receive. And frankly, reading is not just reception as it is also active interpretation of whatever the author meant, except the author is so crystal clear in what they want you to feel that when I, as reader, wanted to read a Vera fic where I feel for her—I instead read a Vera fic where she feels and I read how she feels. It’s something worth reading for someone exploring the adult character in a teen-adjacent register, but for someone like me extremely curated to Vera Persijn as enthusiast and author of a fan work dedicated to her, reading Letters is me drinking Kool-Aid after being a chronic Gossips Cabernet Sauvignon drinker.
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