Ongezellig

>what if the bottle smack had consequences?
>mymy dies

>>127921
Zaryan I kneel, I can't even find the time to make gems between classes and you pull this party saving gemerald out, makes me wish that ROY site was still up so it could be properly put on something more official

>>127921
I have questions
What is Koos and yfke doing?
Do they play any part in the story?
Does it have color?
If it has a complex background, will there be little secrets in it?

>>127921
zarty saving gem incoming

>>127927
It's a chamber play, just like Ongezellig was, but Vera is the focus, the deuteragonist is Rens. I also invented my own character, Vera's colleague called Loes. They are the only three characters. The sisters are not really significant to the story, not in the traditional sense

>>127927
As for little secrets, very much yes. Colours, the promotional teaser I posted is a hint of the themes I've written, but the other promotional artwork and the cover will be coloured

>>127931
>>127932
Thanks,
also when would it be released?
And when does it occur on the timeline (you could add dates)?
And I want to ask what Loes looks like but I think I'm fine with waiting.
Anyways thanks for the info sound really zemmy, I can't wait to read.
<peeb space
And side note what is Yfke and Koos doing during the novellette, off screen, this question is completely SNCA but I'm just wondering.

Will this be the gemerald to finally save the zarty and cause total TND nigger kike death?

>>127947
fake ass namefags where all they all coming from

Nigga saying this as a robot coming from the BBC factory kys

>>127921
Colossal Zem incoming, I can't wait. Best wishes to you zaryan and good luck with finishing the project!

>>127947
>>127948
This vvill happen

>>127947
The gemerald to save the 'party is to make a comic hosting site so that all the good comics (like fisheye's) have a place to stay

>>127954
Booru?

>>127955
No not a booru, it's an idea I had a while back though I am seeing if it's viable

Update: I already have a preview set for the first two prologue-like chapters for the novella-thing. But I will only post it in conjuction with a drawing from zours zruly of a scene from the chapters. And probably a character sheet of what seems to be my own ZOC Loes de Vox.
>>127935 And I do have a surprise for you in the main work

>>128302
I love surprises, really glad you're doing this project Zaryan

>>127921
writerfail i KNOW its you i KNEW you were lvrking here all along i KNEW you were still a soyteen i KNEW your clittyleak was fake i KNEW it I KNEW IT I KNEW IT I KNEW IT AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

>>128322
Please take your meds before I report you for disturbing the public soy order

>>128340
>STOP NOOTICING SOY!

Aight, guys, it's me. I have no illustrations yet because I was busy with the annotating and the other bullshit for the main spine.
<waar space
But here is a preview. Enjoy?
<waar space
https://files.catbox.moe/aa1hiu.epub
<waar space
For whatever reason, the 'arty does not accept EPUB uploads. Do not be suspicious ofzo

There are annotations to help a zigga out. One of my cold reviewers told me they were struggling with switching between tabs for the Dutch phrases so I figured adding annotations for anything that needed translating.

>>128685
What kind of file is this I can't open it did I just download a virus

>>128699
Oh yeah, if you're on mobile, download Moon Reader. PC, either Thorium or Calbre. It's an eBook

>>128702
Can't wait for the unbothered zelligxister who converts it to a White file extension

Idk where to upload the full thing. Is AO3 an option?

>>128703
Something like that

>>128708
yeah do that

OP, are you dutch? By mere happenstance. Not implying anything or something. Just asking.

>>128766
OP here. No.

>>128766
OP here. I'm gay.

>>128763
>Vera rejects to state her opinion on AI because it's too trendy
Keyed
The first part also felt like reading some poem I don't know why

>>128773
I'm glad you liked it! I will release the full product somewhere. I'm actually composing a cover as we speak, and some promotional material

>>128775
With what time Zaryan I barely get the time to do the things I want these days

Here is the title page.
<waar space
I just had to polish the writing. I still have no idea where to publish it. Maybe I'll post an eBook link or something, since I'm still in an eight-day queue for AO3

>>128968
I had an idea where we could put all of these little comics and things together though it does require the sacrifice of money

>>128969
Best I can do is chapter/scene illustrations. They might come, they might not, no guarantee

>>128970
Not saying (You) have to pay, it's just a tricky project of mine

I've decided. I'm now gonna upload the absolutely-not-a-fiktie on AO3 but I'm still on the waiting list. Can any of you kind Zaryans who have AO3 accounts help me? I need an invite code to skip the queue because I've been on the waiting list for at least three to four days now, and I don't get confirmation for another week

>>129067
A03 jannies are the absolute worst on that you'll have to wait for the email

>>129073
I figured it out. I forgot itch io exists

>>129088
just put it on AO3 when your account comes in

>>129097
I did some more digging. I don't think I can upload it there since my novella heavily depends on a dark mode inversion trick

>>129110
Marge what's that

>>129097
there is dark mode in AO3 its just not default (though its more grey than black)

>>129156
For the PC version of my work, I'm just gonna say there's a hidden aspect as to why the work defaults to dark mode

Here's a peek of the itch

I may have unwittingly shot myself in the foot here. I haven't even published the full work publicly and I'm already writing a prequel.
<waar space
Zaryan, ze are zo zucked

>>129358
It's like Lidly starting a thrembomillion projects

>>129358
it’s a symptom of ADHD to be constantly moving from one project to another without finishing any, so you might wanna speak to a psychologist about that

>>129361
Oh, I've finished it. I just haven't published it publically. It's currently unlisted

>>129361
>zaryan is autistic
racebait found on an amerimutt's post

>>129363
>autism is ADHD
niggertard

>>129362
I meant to say USUALLY without finishing any. Usually if they enjoy it enough they do finish it, but they quickly move to the next thing

>>129366
>have you just misgendered my mental illness?
nococo cares

>>129368
I’m just saying you’re an idiot for thinking xheyre the same thing yes I am obsessed

>ADHD is not ADD little chud! Learn your mental illnesses and have basic human decency!

>>129367
In my case, I'm moving onto the next thing because

1. I genuinely built a structure that makes a prequel possible. Think Saul's throwaway line that eventually paved way for his own series to be made
2. I just think it's fun. I'd post the Itch now but it still feels naked without a cover photo

>>129370
ADD is an old term for ADHD-
wait a minute
your baiting me…

Promotional material

>>129983
Gemmy

>>129983
'ller's influence made stan a campus writer, fucking hell. gemmy doe

>>129985
It's very much Stan. The edits are Mymy's. They're two peas in a pod when it comes to the Schoolcourant

>>129989
You guys down to expand on the lore Massa couldn't be assed to continue?

>>129983
Make this image say some gemmy copypasta like we did with Coco's newspaper

>>129992
Probably in the next part yeah

>>129990
I could. Iets Waars isn't expansion per se. More like a complicated adaptation/continuation

>>127921
will Maya have anything to do with the story whatsoever

>>130020
I willingly avoided using the sisters as much as possible because my focus is Vera (and Rens) but Maya is mentioned. Maya, or sister fics in general, are oversaturated so I opted to tell Vera's story

>>130021
has your ao3 account been approved yet

>>130021
rens is an efteling influencer, that's pretty much what all massa had left for us in the lore so it'd be real interesting to see how you can expand on that. get creative zaryan, but most importantly don't quit

>>130023
Oh yes, it is a crucial aspect of his character. I'm still kinda hesitant of publishing the itch here (my AO3 did get approved but I would rather just use my own platform) because I'm still proofreading and composing a cover. Patience o algugu
<waar space
anyway here's coloured lineart of Vera's colleague, Loes de Vos

>>130024
oh my, can't wait for all the zeldeenegroids get a hold of this and make p*rn out of it. zoot should just open the club already so we can restrict those faggots to view whatever we got working on

>>130023
doing Massa is a real problem

>>130026
Massad

>>130023
A what influencer sorry I am DSL

Mymy becomes retarded

>>130066
she already is

Should I just post the first three chapters on A03 and when I am finally done proofreading the main text, publish the full link to my itch in the author notes? Been considering this

>>130355
Release it the way you want it to be read. If you think splitting it up like that would negatively affect the reading experience just wait and release it how you think is best.

>>130355
Yes but not only AO3 so the power tripping jantards don't just delete the only (1) copy

>>130356
itch thinks my page is a scam lmfao. though i could use AO3 to advertise the work by using the first three chapters as a tease to the rest of the thing, which will link it to my itch with the full EPUBs
>>130358
yeah. since my ao3 account also got approved, i could also make oneshots too

>>130360
just post it to AO3 we need more gems there with writerfail apparently on break or something like that

>>130379
Flood the A03 with chuddy gems evendoe I have never ever used AO3 to read 'zellig stuff because it was all coal years ago and now it's antimatter

>>130380
Aye kapitein

>>130380
trve writerfail is our savior o algo, bringing gems back to the coal mines of zoiets

>>130385
Evendoe he had a massive seethe episode or however I didn't read it at all

what the fuck bro, i hate this website, i'll just fucking self-publish at this point

>>130489
Heil Hitler, will you be publishing it in e-book format?

>>130490
I deleted the post because I'm now contemplating on whether or not I will either just post the entire work on AO3 or just post the teaser chapters like I said. My eBook format has so much more going on for it that AO3 can only justify with the notes at the beginning and the end. But yes, here is the first three chapters:
https://archiveofourown.org/works/83453951/chapters/219851911

>>130491
I obviously want to post the eBook. AO3 is more like exposure. IDK Zaryans, I'm in a rut

>>130492
E-book is better than clittyO3, though don't choose a SNCA website nobody knows about

>>130493
I'm still gonna post the full thing on AO3. I'll take any exposure I can get. The itch can be advertised elsewhere. I'll also post the link to that here shortly

I've posted everything. Enjoy, Zaryans.

>>130511
Where?

>>130512
https://archiveofourown.org/works/83453951/chapters/219851911?style=creator

>>130513
You are a gift from God;
Will you also be publishing it in ebook format?

>>130513
Perfect reading material for me to read while being all alone on the staircase during lunch break, yes I like Maya

>>130511
I’ve read it once but it’s so dense, descriptive, and loaded with dutchness I want to read it again before I can discuss it intelligently. It’s very good but I’ll have more to say than that.

>>130532
Is it filled to the grim with dutchness?

Geg

>>127921
what the hell is your AO3 pfp saar

>>130665
Placeholder o algo

>>130680
yeah but what is it
or what was it because it got changed

>>130683
it was porn...

>>130665
SAAR WHY WAS YOUR LAST PFP PORN SAAR

>>130685
MARGE

>>130685
FYM PORN IT WAS OCCOAL AT WORST

What profile picture marge

can't believe you OP, why would you do such a thing...

‘taneous you couldve written it a fith grade reading level and made it about suicide o incest o algo to get more engagement thats what they love on ao3 and xitter

>>130690
good goy

>>130690
>filename

>>130698
Ni hoa

>>130690
Should have made it about Yana since she's the face of Ongezellig

>>130702
TSMT

Kinda bored now that I've posted the entir thing. The prequel I had in mind can wait for now. What if I wrote a oneshot where Maya gets to be happy for once

>>130732
What if you wrote the continuation of one more drink or however the fuck it was called

>>130734
What's that

>>130735
>holy nu lvrk moar
It's an old old 'fic where Maya becomes an alcoholic, and it was premium kino nothing better at the time, probably still is. But it was discontinued around Chapter 40 and NEVER finished, if someone has the heart to send the archive so you can also read it

>>130732
publish the ebook version that you talked about

>>127921
I see. Am not finding it anywhere I look but Idk, can a Zaryan who has it 'chived poast it ofzo
>>130738
I will. Had a reading session with my friends with it and it also functioned as proofreading. I noticed a few mistakes in thr ePUbs that I then corrected. I don't plan on publishing them yet because I still don't have a cover

>>130741
I’m not a big fan of it because of the epke romance and the derailing into a bootlegging crime story but it’s here >>104682

>>130743
read it. took me a while since i was reading another fic (A Faded Tulip; it's decent but also too cheesy). it sucks ass lol

>>130743
This shit sucks ass nigga

The current version on AO3 is currently outdated, and I will only update it if I can finally decide I'm done with it somehow. 5000 new words over a span of two days after careful deliberation and research, and there still might be more.

I renamed it

>>131526
Why? I liked the name, I thought it fit well.

>>131528
My novella is heavily dependent on musical architecture. Iets Waars didn't make sense because it's a thesis statement, not a title

can someophono become my copyedtior? I dont have a 'puter with me and i wont be having it with me for the foreseeable future.
<wraak space
my manuscript for both editions is 35k and 39k respectively, whereas my epubs are only 23k and 26k, so yeah, ive added way too much content that is characterisation since im now leaning heavily into the character study/documentary farce
<wraak space
Ill append my email to a reply if someone agrees. they will be credited in my work if they help o algo. that's the least i could do

>>131831
sure

>>131858
email me at punished.spontaneous@proton.me and we'll begin talking there

>>131885
Sending Deels n Boers to this email recipient

>>131885
dis the nigga dat drew 'p

>>131885
ok sent

>>131894
Obsessed with goontaneous award

>>131885
i will email you questionable content

>>131904
all my niggas rape and kill goontaneouspedos

>>131907
shut up bob

>>130738
Still revising the EPUB. It's gonna take a long-ass while

>>132257
why are you not using LaTeX

>>132275
I'm not on Linux, xister. I started this all on Calbire, I can't shift now

I have broken the 50k word count and have reached Light Novel territory.

>How do I quickly reach 50k words..?
>Oh right
>"You will never be a woman. You have no womb, you have no ov-"

on a writer's block so eh, have this one

>>134556
haggerald

>>134556
reply to your emails you nigger

>>134556
thanks goontaneous, you earned your weekly masturbation to the zellig stylized OCs you made

>>134562
>thanks goontaneous, you earned your weekly masturbation to the zellig stylized OCs you made
>please validate my porn addiction

>>134556
writing that much for months at a time tends to do that to you

>>134562
nigga

>>134556
>>134564
though if it's a constalation, it means you put in your all

>>134559
I check them every day. Anyway here's the alt

>>134564
Im totally fine, it's just that I'm at a bottleneck with a chapter im writing because i feel it's necessary (includes sjef, koos, goof, yfke, and wiel). i always have progress daily, whether it's a hundred words or three thousand, it's just that i felt like drawing today

>>134563
I hate this variant SO much

>>134580
You hate its accurate portrayal of you, don’t you?

>>134587
No because it's a trace from a movie (Coalson alert) and ended up the same as 2_pointing_soyjaks except in a fraction of the time, therefore it's coal

>>134588
Fair enough

>>134588
Cobson was a trace from a movie too doe

>>134592
I think traces from real people are better than from comics of zoiets

>>134593
if it's a gem it's a gem

>>134594
Notice Plier and Feral and Bernd, they work because they made fun of people that happened to have cartoonish characteristics
With Cobson when he originally unveiled he wasn't well-liked, the term HWABAG was only forced by those who liked him for him to be more accepted
Cobson's invention was a major turning point in soyculture
But for me personally traced 'jaks from real people work more becauze you could pinpoint who they make fun on IRL

>>134595
Decent observation. Something else to note is that Feral, Bernd, and Alicia are extremely easy to use as mockery. However, Cobson never caught on as a tool of mockery with the noted exception of Spadeson, but you could argue that putting an ace of spades on anyone is a good enough tool of mockery.

>>134596
It was only after he became a subvariant that he started catching on, but there was a catch. If you had to be a subvariant instead of standing on your own merits, maybe your 'jaks wasn't a gem in the first place.

I might genuinely kill myself after I finish my novel

attentionwhoring above me

>>134601
no goontaneous we need you for more zellig 'p gemmies

>>134603
thanks zaryan. nice to know my OC goonies are of some merit to yall. let's do this

>>134603
Why isn't this written in broken English

>>130491
how can i read this? there's no mymy!

>>134850
She will be in the prequel or something

>This is unreadable! There's not even any fucking woahjack or colored penises jokes in here! A tranny must have written this!

>>134601
any zaryans interested in group suicide this summer?

>>134925
i will only attend if maya will be there too

>broooo the mass zaryan suicide event!
>bro remember let's do it! but like as a joke, promised!

>>134933
my mossy mav 88 lookin mighty fine nowadays, you know they say that the taste is... Mind blowing!

>>134936
are you interested in doing a group suicide zaryan?

Oh yeah, updated title because why not

>>135396

tried to copy and paste a revised version of my preface here but apparently it has more >wordswordswords than the massa sucks at writing thread

i think im gonna thrash this project

>>135834
what do you mean thrash?

>>135835
Probably trash
He said he didn’t really have a plan and wrote it freestyle, and maybe he wants to start over instead of trying to fix it

>>135834
>>135835
hes abandoning it out of spite because of 'cord

>>135849
Goontaneous, growing to hate his non-vore fanbase, cancelled the book out of spite.

>>135849
>'cord
marge

>>135848
i did not just freestyle this, i had a vision for the basic plot (vera meets a former student, hijinks ensue), then tried to make sure everything else connected. everything was already set in my mind what the story would be, it's just the execution of it where i was truly free.
>>135849
>whyishelying.gif
<revengespace
i think i wanna cancel this project because i opened libreoffice writer yesterday to natively transport my manuscript from Gdocs to it (so I can transcribe it for the ebook format of my book) but then i got overwhelmed by how fucking difficult it looks. i looked at the forums how to use templates, and i tried LatEx too and it was all equally confusing. i typed almost everything in my book from my fucking phone on GDocs so I got bottlenecked with how to move forward ever since i made the epub and abandoned it and i'm here thinking i spent three months and counting wasting away on a project no one will really read. my beta reader did leave me comments but im yet to receive a full review of what he truly thinks, and that he told me he doesn't have a deadline for when it will truly come, that zaryan who wanted to be a beta reader when he emailed me flaked on me, and a third guy wanted to be one only if i was paying him for it (im broke as shit, also getting paid to read?? wtf). i still want to do one thing to keep myself motivated. later today, i'll go to a printershop with a copy of my manuscript to have it all printed in the flesh to see what i really got. hopefully seeing physical results of what i've gotten so far can still rile me up. at least i'd have something to show myself. i really don't want to feel this was all for nothing.
>>135851
idfk what these nophonos are talking about, the 'cord thing is irrelevant here, they just wanna make it about themselves for whatever reason

>>135850
also forgot to respond to you. TSMT

>>135912
>maya but WHOAH_20251208015649.png
>coco
...

>>135913
>Maya
>Look inside
>Coco

>

>>135911
>no one will really read
i hate to say that you might be right with this one
the issue isnt the quality of the writing, but who it's about. people read fanfic to look more into their favorite characters, in this case being the sisters. yeah vera is liked, but she's not exactly the character that people are dying to see.
not saying you have to scrap it, but if you want to start anew, writing about the sisters is probably your best bet
>all for nothing
it clearly isn't, because even if it wasn't what you wanted it to be, you ended up learning a very valuable lesson of not biting off more than you can chew (which is a lesson you can only learn by doing exactly that)

>>135932
Vera is for people over the age of 30, which aren't many, it'd be worth to see how Vera develops AFTER the sisters eventually go their own way

>>135933
i personally think her interactions with the sisters would the the most interesting

It's a Vera-centric novel. It wouldn't make a lot of sense to pigeonhole the sisters on the side to match a story that revolves around her. Still, I had to concede by adding Maya and Coco in a flashback (my beta reader was, quote, 'soyjacking' when he finally got to that part that I can only interpret as fan service, and Mymy at the appendix to at least attach the sisters organically). But I chose to write a story that specifically has the disguise of a fanfiction when it's a YA/A novel in essence. The register is nothing you'd find on AO3, and I've already read a lot of dogshit Zellig fics there. writerfail (and maybe pnegpng) are the only AO3 fanfic authors who can actually meet your expectations, but what I'm doing is an entirely different thing. An actual novel, breaking 70k words, carrying the continuation genre centred on the peripheral teacher character. Yes, it hurts that nobody would read it probably, but if it catches a niche, well, that's how Massa got to us, didn't he? A friend (not a beta reader, but he's reading my current manuscript) told me that my book reads as if Massa himself continued the series via writing, and that means a lot to me.
<revengespace
I can't just release the entire thing now, because I overlooked one key worldbuilding factor in my manuscript and I'm back to the drawing board, but this story is what I believe one worth telling, and if my beta reader says exploring moral greys via Ongezellig fan literature is something worth considering, then perhaps I shouldn't just throw it all away.
>>135932
This story is exactly what I want it to be. It just fucking sucks this fandom has been infiltrated by tweens younger than my time playing fucking Dota (I've played it since 2008) so I'm clearly not writing for them. The real question is, am I also writing for >>(You)?
>>135933
Exactly. Actually, in my novel she's 48, way older and makes way more sense. The sisters going their own way is implicit but I focused on the other classmates (besides Rens, Sjef and Yfke in particular based on whatever information I have on them), so writing about Vera as an adult instead of the sisters as adult was my priority. Not saying that I'm incapable of writing the sisters as adults, since Maya would be as old as I am if the pilot took place in 2019 for example, but I chose not to do it. Yet.
>>135934
Well, I wrote a reason why she doesn't. But fuck, I really just want this fucking book to be done with so you guys can actually fucking read it

>>135937
I wish Mommy Vera would look down on me like this

>>135945
You're gonna love this book then my zigga

>>135911
>the 'cord thing
still marge

also have you tried pandoc?

>>135937
‘taneous i really like the narrative but i feel like it’s being forced to compete against the prose sometimes. when it gets ornate it feels like it’s trying to accomplish its own ends and not the ends of the narrative, but i’m sure this isn’t news to you. you defended your lack of dialogue markers to writerfail, aware that it adds complexity but you believe that makes it more rewarding. i disagree with the prose-centric philosophy. this isn’t to say i don’t like it, i do, your characterization is great, the dialogue is interesting and authentic, uses subtext well, and mymy’s role as a nearly invisible antagonist is great, but in my opinion the prose can come into conflict with these. this isn’t trying to convince you to change anything i’m just sharing some opinions.

>>135950
It's a conversion tool. Docs is good for inputting but not typesetting so LOWriter is what I'm sticking with. After I finish my output there, then can I use pandoc

>>135953
Which version did you read, may I ask?

>>135954
i know what pandoc is, i just suggest you stop overthinking the entire thing, just write it down in markdown, convert to epub, and be finally done with it

>>135955
The version on ao3, I’m not aware of another full version.

>>135958
I see. The 26k-word AO3 version is already a material about the delay of the word of the allegation being uttered. But right now, as my novel breaks 76k words, you're gonna see more people, more things, more worldbuilding. The prose you speak of, that which competes against the narrative, is a stylistic choice of mine, yes, and definitely still exists in my current workload. But put it this way: the prose, in my AO3 version, doesn't have to have momentum, advance the narrative. Instead, see the prose as characterisation. If my AO3 version is already ornate, the full novel will be thrice as much. It's not always meant to tell you where the story is going as much as it is quite often telling you what it is about, who it is about. If you want, my email is up above, and I'll send you a copy of my current manuscript.

>>135937
thats not what pigeonholing means,you mean to say shoehorn

>>135961
yeah it’s just opposite to my view on the purpose of prose. in my eyes the point of a work is the narrative and that should be the focus. the elements should reinforce the narrative and the characters. when my prose works against my narrative i change the prose. i think an author can still write about what it’s about and who it’s about without becoming style heavy. you’re talented i just disagree with the aspect you are choosing to emphasize and making it intentionally obscure. i’ll read it when it comes out and i’m sure it will be high quality but you don’t need to send me anything early because i unfortunately guarantee the only thing i’ll have to say is that the prose should stop competing with narrative clarity.

>>135963
To me, a work is not just the narrative. Narratives compel people to feel things about them, in your cas you find my prose obscure, perhaps difficult, perhaps wanting. Transparent prose is amazing! I've read Chekhov's short stories as an example of simple stories that are enhanced thoroughly by their content. It's fine if you disagree with my philosophy, otherwise it wouldn't be my work. Simple stories still work, but I chose a simple plot told in depth instead. Narrative clarity is one thing, and that is your emphasis. It isn't my priority, and, like my book says at one point,
>That which is received is received according to the mode of the reveiver.
It's fine that you disagree. I think that's the point.

>>135937
>writerfail (and maybe pnegpng) are the only AO3 fanfic authors who can actually meet your expectations
I find it funny that writerfail is literally just an amateur with average skill and he’s the best one on that shithole

>>135968
i mean he's above average imo but still

I give up. Decided to put [and hopefully not have shoehorned] Maya and Coco are in the narrative proper, before the transition to Vera's apartment.

>>136042
so like before Rens arrives or before the first scene or what
either way im pretty interested to see how they're characterized

>>136058
It will be the first thing you read

here's what i had in mind
>>136058
>>136042

>>136073
i know this is an au but coco becoming a senior computer engineer with 10 plus years of experience in 6 years is still too much of a tonal whiplash

>>136182
Coco isn't a magical know it all, it would be better if she did very well in school, but started to have more problems in college, just enough for Maya to notice

>>136221
thats what i said doe, except the college part but im talking about the attached .txt specifically
from the line
>people say you mentally mature by twenty-five, and she is well into three years closer to it
i read it as coco has 3 years to go until 25, considering shes 16 in canon and 22 here = 6 years, but the phrasing is really confusing so correct me if im wrong

>>136182
that's the joke lol.

>>136224
tried to emulate maya's fickle language from the mayamails, since the mayamail is tagged october 18 [2025] she'd turn 23 by december if she were born in '02 if we believe the
>coco is the eldest hc
to me she and maya are '03cels 'beit, while mymy is an '04 rat. so the phrasing instead suggests she'll be turning 22 by december. also i wrote coco into becoming a computer engineer so i could get away with the cocomuputers gag

>>136235
Maya my poor little gem what are you doing

>>136235
maya was born in ‘02, sweet 16 takes place in 2018.

>>136235
so i did kinda guess correctly in the end, lol
>coco is the eldest hc
i get why this semifanon, since shes big and strong but to moscow chicks he was such a lovely dear though by birthdays mymy is oldest canonically(?)
as for the pun, i really dont care. pun patrol is a reddit thing

>>136240
mymy’s the youngest. they all start the schoolyear the same age and march comes after september and december in the academic year

>>136241
yeah, thanks for the correction, i forgot months cycle

>>136239
i used the pilot's timeline, and since it used october 14 being a monday as the actual date of it happening—and in turn Massa retconning the chronology of the mayamails—i used it too

>>136244
Attention to detail autistGOD I kneel

>>136244
i don’t think any retconning is needed for the timeline. sweet 16 happens the year before the pilot, the mayamails take place in between. september 21 is on a friday in 2018 but a saturday in 2019, which would make the plot of sweet 16 impossible, and the mayamials begin on friday november 23, a date that existed in 2018 but not 2019. in the pilot the girls are in their second to last year of school (assuming they are all VWO, which i would because of massa’s comments about soei, but technically this could still work on HAVO program, it would just be their last year instead of second to last), which means they started the year as 16 and will end it as 17, with maya’s birthday having already occurred by october 14, and coco and mymy’s will later.

>>136247
Never really looked into it that way. I guess it's not really much of a retcon if it's just Massa being inconsistent with how he presents information. If the girls are really in their second year of VWO (Vera's dossier says Maya, Mymy, and Cleo are in VWO) then it makes more sense. If the prequel logic follows since the dates don't lie, Maya's Sweet 16 taking place in 2018 and the Mayamails proceeding from November 2018 to March 2019 places Ongezellig in a more linear sense of chronology, which ought to better serve my purposes writing a continuation of it. It's also funny to think that if we follow the
>Coco is the eldest hc
it means she was born in late 2001, three months and nine days after 9/11

>>136272
They are in their 4th year of vwo during the events of the animation because we see in their dossier that they are in class 4a, the material from in the deels have the most authority so that should be taken as the baseline/

>>136278
oh yeah, i totally forgot about that detail either. you know what, I STAND BY WHAT I INITIALLY SAID AND WROTE, MASSA IS A RETCONNING NIGGER

>>136278
Wouldn’t that mean coco and mymy are 15 during the pilot?

>>136073
I liked this
One issue
Coco used Mayas computer just fine in the pilot, and it didn’t fly through the ceiling, so idk why it’s doing it here

>>136333
I thought it would be funny that Maya saw for herself what happened to Coco's computer in deel 1 which is why she went to Maya's room in the first place. i could still insert a callback or a joke because this mayamail isn't entirely final

>>136073
wait so Maya and Sjef dated but they broke up because Sjef was a deadbeat? this is so fucking geggy

>>136073
I know that nigga saw me post which Zelig characters they would main in re 4 Mercenaries and that nigga made it canon total Evil Resident Victory

>>136380
Sjef being a deadbeat is a character trait I wrote for him. His and Maya's relationship in the book is first and foremost texture but also sequelbait.

>>136389
fuck you my nigga sjef would never do that you filipino seanigger

>>136409
it's funny doebeit, also literally no one knows what he would fucking do anyway, he's a cardboard cutout like the rest of them

>>136416
yes we do, he mains Krauser in re4 mercs

>>136416
You can turn Sjef into a drug addict rich kid wigger all you want but I don’t understand the point of both doing that and jamming Maya into a previous relationship with him, when you already established his relationship with Ilse. If he’s supposed to be a player I don’t see why he would have been interested in Maya.
But my main problem is Maya dropping it like it’s new information, she’s talking to her diary and if this happened there is a 100% chance she would have talked about it in a previous mayamail. When she brings it up it should be more of a reference to a past event with which the diary is already familiar than a tease for a future reveal.

>>136428
its an outline nigga
also people have multiple relationships

>>136429
I didn’t say I don’t understand the logistics I said I don’t understand the point

>>136428
Maya and Sjef do have notable roles in the book. Right now, as I've written them, Sjef and Maya's former relationship serves as texture rather than foundation in the current text, and whether I should keep that is something I'm battling with. If I make it an actual B plot to the story, it would be taking a significant amount of attention from the main narrative that is the allegation circle, and B plots in novels tend to not work out well if they don't have the adequate scaffolding to make them happen. the mayamail serves as plant for texture at the moment, but if i keep the momentum forward, if i can secure the scaffolding, it may become an actual b-plot while still serving the purposes of the vera-rens narrative. for now, i've put a rain cheque on that route. if it makes b-plot territory, that means more chapters, more words, but i feel like it would also give unnecessary bloat. it's better as worldbuilding material for now, to make maya and sjef's previous relationship as a frame of reference for them being separate individuals instead of plot devices or background noise.

>>136439
why not just focus on the vera being a pedophile story. that is the point. earlier you even said
>ironically maya would steal all the attention
and then proceeded to write her in anyway.

>>136443
Maybe ‘taneous decided that if people want to read an ongezellig story, the ongezellig characters still need to be present, maybe he changed his mind eventually. I think the main characters could serve a great purpose in his story, especially since ongezellig IS about the main characters after all

>>136444
no i think ‘taneous doesn’t know what he wants to do aside from bait me personally and make me leak by shipping maya with a drug addict wigger

>>136429
did sjef sleep with maya or is he a rizzless chud

>>136446
Asking the important question here

>>136446
he did, but it was very awkward and short becauze maya got tired in the first minute and sjef couldn't keep it up without thinking of rens.

>>136450
Bro thinks he’s griffith

>>136450
it's coal........... JSID

>>136450
is sjef a homosexual

>>136453
obviously, he overcompensates by dating and having casual sex with a large amount of women.

>>136446
Sjef comes across as a porn addict who desires sex more than anything and id imagine any relationship he’d be in would just be him trying to get into bed, so I’d imagine him and Maya barely lasted a month

>>136461
somewhat unrelated, but i hate how Maya watches porn instead of reading it like most women do. its fairly obvious that Massa was projecting his own porn addiction onto Maya, yet he seemingly fails to understand that most women don't watch, they read, and i think it would've come across as being more authentic had he gone with that instead

>>136462
>arguing over whether the 16 year old teenager would watch or read goonslop
zelligcux…

>>136463
must be your first day here

>>136462
and if he went with that there wouldn't have been the joke of being caught watching porn, humor trumps authenticity for this show.

less brimmy headcanons, MORE ILLUSTRATIONS. GET TO WORK YOU LAZY FILIPINO SEANIGGER

>>136467
she couldve been reading some kind of historical fiction romance on her computer! then it'd MAKE SENSE for Coco to believe it's actual history

>>136489
it's not supposed to make sense, the point of the joke is the absurdity of the situation and the gullibleness of coco assuming the history tab of the browser is about history.

>>136443
What >>136444 said. When I tried to write Maya in my story, something clicked, and I don't care anymore if she hogs away the attention. I writing an Ongezellig story, >>(You) get an Ongezellig story.
>>136446
They dated, that's all you need to know for now.
>>136450
DO NOT FUCKING FALSEFLAG ME YOU NOPHONO. What I wrote is that Maya was the one who broke up with Sjef and it was going to be an entire subplot about how social anxiety and neuroticism self-sabotages relationships but there's currently no room for me to write that subplot in an already dense work about how institutions and gossip handle allegations.
>>136454
GEG
>>136468
Maybe. I wanna draw Rens' mom or something.

>>136508
>that's all you need to know for now.
until you give us more details my headcannon of maya having embarrassingly low stamina for a libidinist and sjef having ED is cannon

>>136535
>oh I’m a jartycuck, yes im a jartycuck!

>>136535
nigga i am not going to fucking write that shit even in an adult AU

>>136538
cuz we know its true

>>136535
both gigagooners, completely desensitized to everything

Writing a Maya chapter as we speak. Deel V is the section revolving around the rumour mill, and Maya's chapter is the third party uninvolved. It's a character chapter. It's also going to be as long as the two chapters preceding it, if it matters.

>>136544
waarum is niet en nederlands :(

>>136535
Goonerzellig.party

>>136541
true for maya, but there's one thing sjef is not desensitized to: his true love, his highschool seatmate whom he just can't open up to.

>>136544

>>136548
i remember reading the AO3 version and how Rens went to Efteling with Coco because Maya didnt want to go. im assuming that these are different visits?
also, not trying to convince you, but have you considered maybe just re-doing this from the ground up? i feel that it might be wise in order to prevent the story from feeling stitched together, or do you have a plan to prevent this from happening?

>>136548
>there’s now a maya/rens relationship
every combination of characters better have an established romantic history by the time you’re finished goontaneous or it’ll be very disappointing

>>136443
wait that's what the allegations were? i thought it had to do with Mymy getting hit with the bottle and her getting fired for it, and i didn't really know why rens was there tbh

>>136554
this

>>136554
if it isnt over 500k words with every characters backstories explained in excruciating detail with 700+ subplots, then i will be sorely dissapointed

>>136554
No nigger cringe shit that will unironically cause 12 years old to attach to it thanks

>>136554
rens and maya are just good friends. sjef trusts his best friend to not be with maya because

1. he knows he and maya share a rather interesting history (im not spoiling)
2. he also knows rens is too obsessed with vera (and has lingering attachments to *ilse, who is currently sjef's girlfriend) to give a fuck about maya

>>136562
scott the woz with mutt tomoko kuroki

>maya having a friend
JSID

>>136562
so the thing with Rens is that he has a crush on Vera?

>>136568
Rens having a crush on a 40 year woman. tsmt, cause I did the same thing

>>136569
quit LARPing as 'taneous

>>136571
who?

>>136572
i thought you were LARPing as the author

>>136573
Nope, I mean it is hard to the cause most folks here in this thread are just called "zaryan". but I'm sorry for your confusion.
plus, I forgot to add the word "old".

At this point I'm gonna have to namefag because of you falseflaggots
>>136568
The entire premise of my work is that Rens has a crush on Vera AND Vera also has a crush on Rens

>>136575
Kys

>fanfic turns out to be just self-insert masturbation material for goontaneous
j-just shut it down...

>>136576
My book is a direct nod to A Catcher In The Rye but Holden Caulfield is a teacher (in terms of 'so much shit happens in a day')

>>136575
WHY IS THAT NOWHERE IN THE DESCRIPTION?!

>>136579
Nigga no

>>136581
Bro has NOT heard of subtext

>>136583
NIGGA YOU SAID IT WAS THE FUCKING BOTTLESMACK I THOUGHT THOSE WERE THE ALLEGATIONS

He LITERALLY calls her a pedophile in the placeholder and you guys are somehow shocked that I'm writing about something mature?

>>136585
WHERE NIGGA WHERE?! WHY IS IT NOT MENTIONED IN THE DESCRIPTION? WHY IS THE BOTTLESMACK THERE INSTEAD? DOES THE BOTTLESMACK EVEN HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH IT?
I'm just saying id like for the description to at least make it more obvious, because nothing about it hints that that will be what this story is about

>>136584
That was the initial impression, yes, and I intended that for the placeholder specifically, so I can make you THINK it was that, but in my current manuscript that has been largely abandoned because I've expanded the narrative so much for the bottle smack to just be the starting gun for everything else. I'm actually writing about that as I also try to respond here

>>136585
i dont care about it being mature, id just would've preferred that it was told to me (or better hinted at) that this would be what it was about

>>136589
i mean i guess it was too vague

>how to do worldbuilding
>add your fetish
>add ideological fantasy
>add characters (optional)

>>136593

>>136591
it IS too vague nigga
im not even mad that this is what its about. afterall, the entire point of a story is to make you see something from the perspective of someone else, AKA you can write about things that are pretty taboo in order to get an interesting perspective on something, which is good because it gets the reader to question themselves and how they view said taboo
still would've liked for it to be more obvious that it were like this

>>136593
>writing about a taboo means that the author supports and/or engages in said taboo
readercux...

>>136595
Yeah, that's on me. It is a placeholder what's on AO3 after all and I didn't really consider what to really write to sum up the stakes of the work so I just wrote the most basic bullshit. The bottle smack's consequences themselves are so subtle that even in my current manuscript they are just allusions. But now I've found the perfect channel to make this callback.

>>136595
granted not everything has to be about stuff that's taboo, its just the best medium to do it in

>>136596
besides you not getting the joke, it isn't a secret that 'taneous is a veragooner
so...

>>136599
i was gonna quote the person you were gigaquoting but xhey deleted xheir post so i just picked this one

i'm gonna have to at least revise the summary of the ao3 placeholder so people will at least have an idea what they're getting into

>>136601
do this

SEAshitskin motherfucker quit thinking with your filipino dick and make me a proper adaptation instead of self-insert vera gooning trash FAGGOT

>>136600
there was no other post, I made a mistake so deleted it and made it again

>>136604
oh ok

>>136603
refer to >>136596

>>136602
There. Now it's not as vague

>>136607
nothing like a last minute retcon to justify your Rens self-insert gooning session ft. Vera

>>136608
>nothing like a last minute retcon to justify your Rens self-insert gooning session ft. Vera

>>136508
>Rens' mom
WE will gQQn to this

>>136597
the way it’s written now is that mymy is the one who causes the investigation to be launched right? she knew what to say to get the most consequences with the least evidence? and it’s her revenge for being smacked? that was how i interpreted it.
also geg about everyone being shocked that goontaneous’s work is gooning adjacent

>>136614
Yes. But now she's more fleshed out because I've added so many things. Kiki gets lines too, and I'm maintaining that she's natively French but was born in Algeria to at least justify her pirate larp retroactively

>>136621
please add mymy and kiki yuri subplot this is crucial for the main plot

>>136621
>born a literal Aryan in Africa
geg

>>136621
>she’s one of the 300 pied-noir left in algeria
yeah just being a mega autist is way more plausible than her being born to the remaining geriatrics that didn’t return to france

>>136630
It's more of an appendix note than in-narrative material. i already wrote in that she's from marseille, and historically that's where the pieds retreated to. or maybe she's a direct descendant of the pieds born in marseille, then she moves to the netherlands or whatever. i only explored kiki being from algeria in the first place so coco isn't alone on the
>out of africa zellig trope

>>136599

i understand massa so much now

is there any indication that the mayamails are written before or after sweet 16?