/zellig/ - Ongezellig

>>85805
>yeah it wouldn't make sense to you
No it just doesn't make sense, how am I bitter and prescribing motives to anyone?

>you're the dumbest faggot ever for taking this literally instead of seeing it as a demonstration of what you people do, which is what it was SUPPOSED to be.
Except I didn't do that. You just said something retarded unrelated to anything I said. It's unironically not even comparable to anything I said. picrel

>erm you would call telling the truth self destructive because uhh you just would and that makes sense even doe it doesn't
right, yeah.
>non existent pride doesn't mean humility even doe humility is the absence of pride
mhm sure, yeah.
>you need pride to have confidence and self esteem
That's just wrong. You can be confident in your ability without thinking highly of yourself, that's humility.
>bro nobody else has adhd!
inb4 erm she also has adopted sisters and uhh her cat or something
>coco treats her like a pet nigger
Sure, I conceded as much
>mymy literally ties her up like a slave
oh the horror of a visual gag! The point was that mymy treats her like a peer, banter and insults included, unlike coco who traets her like an invalid/pet nigger
>>OH MY GAHD BRO HAVING EMPATHY LE BAD AND STUFF THE UNDERDOG IS ALWAYS LE BAD AND WORTH NOTHING HOW DARE YOU EVEN TRY TO CARE ABOUT PEOPLE
Not what I said, sperg.
>>YOU'RE JUST A LOSER WITH NO HECKING STANDARDS
That's just true, if you're falling in love with a complete loser what else is the conclusion? There's a difference between empathy/pity and worship/simping
>muh potential
When I said nothing I didn't mean she didn't have untapped potential. Everyone has untapped potential but that potential is nothing until it is tapped. Having untapped potential is nothing until you start to realize that potential. You're setting a really low bar (which you have to in order to defend maya)
>what else would you do if everything sucks?
That's for everyone to figure out because everything does suck.
>people tend towards the path of least resistance
They do, that's not admirable. And everyone has the choice to not do that. If you chose the path of least resistance the consequences are yours to reap, it's the wages of your will and you have no one else to blame.
>everything nuanced or complicated is completely incomprehensible woah jacks to you.
She can be as nuanced of a wretch as you want her to be, she's still a wretch.
>oh the intricacies of why she's a depressed gooner are so fascinating
Yeah agreed, still a depressed gooner
>blah blah bunch of things I didn't say yada yada, the usual
>just a phrase
Ever thought of why that's a phrase? Almost as if it means something…
>how exactly is acknowledging her AY DEE DEE "not treating her like a human." or "treating her like an invalid."
Because that's exactly what you're doing, you're denying her agency. She may have this half made up nonsense that makes it hard to concentrate but that doesn't mean she can't concentrate. I have dyslexia yet I still power through these mounds of dogshit of yours because I can choose to contend with difficulty. Maya may have adhd but that doesn't mean she can't choose to content with it and focus. No one has to be a victim of their circumstances because it is human ability and nature to rise above your circumstances.
>muh where's the care for the add!?
What care exactly? medication?
>not enough attention even doe she's a self made recluse
ok
>she was supposedly happy until her sisters came along, which is why i posture the theory that she has a lack of attention from her parents and that they are at least partially responsible for why she is the way she is.
Sure and I could concede this but it doesn't really change anything any of what I said.
>maya does whatever she needs to, to preserve what she cares about
>bro she needs to goon and lock herself in her room bro it's necessary o algo
>she doesn't want to fracture her relationship with her sisters
evidenced by her efforts, surely… surely…
>because they are all she has
Seemed to me from deel 1 she'd be fine to lose 'em and at no point was she shown attachment to them.
>what opportunity has maya been given?
What opportunity was Hitler given, nigga was fucking homeless.
>you need actual willpower
And it's (You) that's generates that willpower. It's not an elusive magic element that just eludes you so. You're once again taking agency out of people. I don't know about you but I believe in free will, I believe a man is his own master. I don't believe we are just left to the waves of time to carry us where ever, completely powerless because we just don't have willpower or have adhd or this or the other. And that notion, honestly, to me seems dehumanizing. What is more human that the unfiltered potential to act of your own accord?
>there is a lot to like about her
>still provided nothing
I already said why anyone would like her. If you identify with her shitty situation you're going to like her. (she's also female so that makes it like 10x easier to like her). It's not that complicated. You're not that sophisticated (or at all) and you're not that smart.
>she deserves love
Do any of us, really?
>you'll make excuses for anyone except maya
mfw didn't happen
>because you'll have as mental breakdown if you ever have to acknowledge flaws or complexities.
says the guy having a mental breakdown because he can't acknowledge how flawed maya is

you guys but /brapbant/ to shame with those novels you've been writing

>>85853
>graped
go back reelstranny

>>85854
>>85855
you must have zero reading comprehension, because you completely misunderstood everything i typed.
i didn't concede anything other than my poor word choice of "honest".
i did not sneak in any positive attributes, because that was some one else, i already told you this yet you're using it as some kind of coping mechanism to pretend you won the argument.

you are a hypocrite, you'll engage in demonizing maya but when i do the same to her sisters it's suddenly le bad.
plain interpetation? idiot's interpetation.
i said that despite being a tortured soul she had the qualities of empathetic passionate and a hopeless romantic.
i did not say that being a tortured soul is a positive quality.
i am not that difficult to understand, i type in a very casual matter of fact manner so i can only assume you're stupid or english isn't your first language, probably both.
she is empathetic, if she wasn't she would literally just bluntly tell her sisters to fuck off and leave her alone.
i'm getting this from maya's conversation, a comic made by massa, it gives you a sight into her desire for passion and love. you would probably know about it if everything about you wasn't completely superficial.
again, cope and seethe.
mymy is confirmed to only have one friend other than her sisters, which is kiki, and it's more of a frenemies relationship.
not everything is headcanon, holy moron.
mymy is not shown to be popular at school, whatever we think is irrelevant.
that whole spiel about mymy i typed is irrelevant retard, it was to make you look like a hypocritical retard, which it did, i've only told you like 3 times.
she crashed out because the hecking sword stabbed her, the thing she was trying to avoid, just like i said.
>sperging out over me calling something a paradox even though it's a perfect description of the vicious cycle that is being a social retard
lying is necessary, because sometimes the worst thing you can do is tell the truth.
do i think it's good to lie in general? no, obviously not.
i was just trying to get you to see that things are more complex than you believe.
also your spergout about never feeling like you had to lie is completely anecdotal and meaningless, we're arguing, not telling stories.
your video is shit kay why ess.
the sword of damocles is not an anecdote, i don't think you know what that word means.
i'm not misusing it either, there's nothing with me creating an easily digestible visual of maya's ambiguous sense of doom and anxiety with the sword of damymyococoles.
the incest thing is a joke. (which i'm right about.)
adhd is real because markiplier has it.

Whiney clittycel above me

>>85864
won't lie this whole thread is whining niggers or something whatever they're talking about i ain't buying it yo. maya won everyone else is btfo'd. maya is the trve love there's nothing to discuss further if you think otherwise then you probably have never experienced true love and i hope you will one day because it truly is something special!

>>85866
the file name says soystein, but the image is clearly of soyberg even confiming it with his nametag on his jacket.
There is identity theft going on soyberg is stealing soystein's identity to commit medical crimes under his name to get rid of his competition.

>>85866
tsmt ill love maya forever

>>85867
meds his name was always soystein also stop looking at my filenames you obsessed CACA

>>85869
you have no idea how much information is revealed about someone based on the filenaming habits they use, for that reason I download images with original file name and often change the name of the files every few months

>>85870
if that's trve what did those file names """reveal"""

>>85871
mostly it identifies posters but there have been instances where it was used to expose samefagging. If you know about Lorenzo and "davvid", the specific file name confirmed "davvid" was actually Lorenzo, and there are a few other things, but I can't let all the secrets go out.

>>85873
geg well i don't samefag and considering you just said you rename your files that doesn't exactly sound good on paper like this does it? honestly i personally don't have to worry about naming files because the way i type makes it too obvious when it's me anyway and sadly i have been already recognized for my typing all too many times, i just want to be in peace i don't need no stupid namefagging or samefagging that's stupid and retarded

>>85866
Meds Maya is an unlovable nigger because she never goes out of her room

>>85875
i'm truly sorry for you, may you one day realize what true love is. may you find the true love one day. such a lost soul, i'm sorry.

>>85876
For a disgusting shitskins foid? Kill yourself tranny HH

>>85877
you are the reason the way she is. you are the disgusting nigger faggot and you know it. we both know it but you can't admit it.

>>85855
off-topic, but why do you post the worst images/gifs with your arguments?
this just makes me want to call you a retard, retard.
anyway…
because you touch yourself at night, idk.
okay if you didn't do that then someone else did, which makes it irrelevant so who cares.
it does make sense, you're a biased faggot who would do anything to find some reason to tear other people down for finding value in le fictional dutch cartoon girl on the
dutch cartoon with soyjaks website
this humble and humility thing is stupid and based on what you define them as.
i think of pride as in "take pride in your work."
i don't think there's anything to argue about there, maya is not proud, which based purely off definitions would make her humble, or a possessor of humility.
>muh visual gag
just like how the incest joke was aj audible gag?
seriously, your contradictions are funny to me, you get mad about me doing the same thing you do.
>>bro nobody else has adhd
>inb4 erm she also has adopted sisters and uhh her cat or something
i have no idea what the fuck this means, incomprehensible.
exactly what you said, sperg.
having standards is not the same as being shallow as a puddle.
it's fine to acknowledge maya's flaws but you're literally disregarding her including any potential she has, it's just wasteful and stupid.
if it's any indicator of how you view things in real life i doubt any of your friends are safe from you just dropping them if they defy your extremely warped view of reality.
>i didn't mean what i actually said.
okay that's fine, but it wasn't that hard to say what you actually meant to be fair.
i didn't set any bar, i was simply trying to state that she has value in a way your closed-mind would allow you to understand.
it's my fault for thinking we could reach an understanding like actual human beings.
you can talk about what is admirable all you want, i'm simply stating the facts.
yeah she is a wretch, how does that strengthen your argument about there being nothing to like about her?
her being unfortunate and unfairly maligned makes it even easier for me to sympathize with her, because i don't have an iq below room temperature.
you don't want to understand anything or anyone, you just want to be right.
you're not genuine.
blah blah bunch of things you did say important important, the unusual.
yeah, it is just a phrase, the meaning was pretty close to what i meant, i don't see why this is something that even needs to be mentioned.
acknowledging her actual issues instead of your made-up ones is not "denying her agency."
i don't see her as someone who needs to be "fixed", i see her as someone in need.
if she can't reach the top shelf i can give her something to stand on.
if there is nothing to stand on i will raise her up.
adhd isn't "half made-up nonsense", just like how dyslexia isn't "half made-up nonsense", that explains your noticeably bad reading comprehension, though.
adhd is a spectrum, by the way.
yes, where is the hecking gender affirming care?
>muh self made recluse
very stupid, you literally acknowledge that this isn't the case in your post then you say it doesn't matter if you hecking concede.
at that point when does anything you say or do matter, retard.
>muh efforts don't even exist
i'm sorry that you have a mind as vast as a gloryhole, and that everything different from you is not worth acknowledging.
everything she does is a lot harder than it would be for you or me.
the ability to understand this is called empathy of zoiets.
i have no real reason to not talk down to you, because you've already proved yourself to be an ignorant closed-minded welp.
there is no way for her to show attachment, when she's anxious, socially retarded, and inexperienced.
she seems to also just feel bad when around her sisters, literally "together i feel more alone."
this is what really bothers me, it's as if you're completely unable to comprehend this.
clitler was not alone, and he didn't accomplish his ultimate goal anyway, such a nice way to say absolutely nothing at all.
we can discuss volition all day, the fact of the matter is that something can't just come from nothing. (except god and the universe but whatever.)
humans don't just generate willpower, and your will can be broken.
it's hard to talk about this because it varies from person to person, we are also not talking about a man.
girls are not known for being strong-willed.
there are reasons, you just don't want to acknowledge them, after all you don't want your narrative built on the back of bitterness and hatred to get shattered, do you?
if you deserve love, then you do, it's as shrimple as that.
>>you'll make excuses for anyone except maya
>mfw didn't happen
of course you're not going to repeat a mistake i called you out for, that's like saying you would still be acting like a retard if i called you retarded.
of zoiets…
>muh mental breakdown
just another comedic exaggeration, it's lost on your angry and hate-filled mind.
i do acknowledge how flawed she is, that's what makes her human.
anyway, this tirade of dyslexic autism should just end, saying she has nothing of value to offer is just an opinion, and is not the fact you deem it to be.
i don't hate you, even if you believe i do, even if you hate me.
i was just naive enough to think i could convince someone who already has their mind made up.



>85856
thanks, i try.

>>85859
has never watched whitest kids u know award

>>85864
trvked

>>85879
zeg, i should have argued with you on the computer so i could have easily quoted each point i'm replying to.
>because you touch yourself at night, idk.
>okay if you didn't that then someone else did,
actual gegerald

>>85879
wordswordswords you're a faggot we get it.

>>85861
>i did not sneak in any positive attributes, because that was some one else
But you were responding to my response to that third party. Look, pal, it's an anonymous imageboard, try to keep up.
>you are a hypocrite, you'll engage in demonizing maya but when i do the same to her sisters it's suddenly le bad.
Dually wrong.
A. I never demonized anyone
B. The central point was that maya had nothing going for her, not that the other sisters weren't flawed/bad/shit. So it's a completely moot point
>i did not say that being a tortured soul is a positive quality.
Fair, I forgot what you said originally
>she is empathetic, if she wasn't she would literally just bluntly tell her sisters to fuck off and leave her alone.
You're mistaking her meekness and cowardice for a quality she isn't shown to have and is in fact shown to have the opposite. She has a negative opinion of her sisters, established in deel 1 and further reinforced by her imagination. (also she literally has a no entry to coco blockade in front of her room, how the fuck do you square that?)
>maya's conversation
Extrapolating a lot from little. She got a crush on the first person she's probably talked to in weeks, I don't know that I'd consider that a hopeless romantic and I certainly don't know that I'd consider that being passionate (especially considering she's mostly characterized as lethargic more than anything)
>mymy is confirmed to only have one friend other than her sisters
deboonked by picrel from massa lore doc
>not everything is headcanon, holy moron.
Yeah only the shit you come up with from thin air that was not confirmed or hinted by the creator (or goes against what is shown or told)
>that whole spiel about mymy i typed is irrelevant retard, it was to make you look like a hypocritical retard
Yeah, failed spectacularly because unlike what I said it was completely falsifiable (and a moot point, see above)
>lying is necessary, because sometimes the worst thing you can do is tell the truth.
Yeah maybe if you're hiding valid jewish queens under your floor boards, but perverting truth for the sake of "meh I don't wanna look like a loser" is inexcusable. Principles make life difficult. The worst thing you can do is disregard moral principles because it's easy or comfortable. And I'm not moralizing, no one's perfect, but this is just true and you can't justify immorality with this banal nonsense.
>also your spergout about never feeling like you had to lie is completely anecdotal and meaningless, we're arguing, not telling stories.
Holy autism, you prompted that! You said "herm well you probably…" And regardless, I'm correct. You're never in a position where you have to lie, just where it's easier to lie (rare floor board related exceptions)
>the sword of damocles is not an anecdote, i don't think you know what that word means.
"a usually short narrative of an interesting, amusing, or biographical incident"
Words can sometimes have more than one meaning, talk about ESL. Unironically go to wikipedia, second paragraph, second word. I mean talk about pseudo intellectualism! Honestly.
>incest is a joke (but not actually)
usual mayacel antics

>>85878
Projected award

>>85885
I'll be honest this nigger is too dense to listen, I'm not sure he's going to give up.

>>85885
you're right sis.
someone literally had the sword of damocles hovering over their head.
>>incest is a joke (but not actually)
>usual mayacel antics
never said this btw MEDS NOW.

NIGGA I'M DONE.
basically everything has been cleared up, it's just specifications now.
i don't really care anymore.

>>85887
holy cord, go back to your cord, cord.
shouldn't have been a cord, you stupid cord.
cord woke up, cord woke up.

autism won btw.

>>85879
I have the best gifs, frankly, some people say they've never seen gifs this good.
>erm erm you tear other people down or something that's mean can't you just be a decent human being or something
It's the internet, get with the program or go back to reddit.
>erm here's what I think pride means
I mean pride in the biblical sense which I think is the most straight forward sense
>i have no idea what the fuck this means, incomprehensible.
Just like the wojaks or something
>it's fine to acknowledge maya's flaws but you're literally disregarding her including any potential she has, it's just wasteful and stupid.
Not doing that. Her not having any redeemable attributes is not the same as her being irredeemable. It's Precise language, she can better herself but as it stands she has nothing going for her. That was the point but you got personally offended by 1 line of text because you've unironically fallen in love and are obsessing with a fictional character (like a loser, not to tear you down or anything)
>>i didn't mean what i actually said.
I did mean what I said, you just misinterpreted what I said, which is why I elaborated. It's fine if you missed what I meant, I recognize it's an ambiguous statement.
>she has value
Everyone has value. Everyone has potential. Doesn't mean no one sucks.
>yeah she is a wretch, how does that strengthen your argument about there being nothing to like about her?
Because she's a wretch and there's nothing to like about her, are you reading what I'm saying? Should I reiterate the thesis?
>her being unfortunate and unfairly maligned makes it even easier for me to sympathize with her
And I can sympathize with palestinians getting firebombed by israel, doesn't mean I like them. Those are 2 separate attitudes.
>you don't want to understand anything or anyone, you just want to be right.
Well I am right and I do understand everyone and everything, those 2 aren't mutually exclusive.
>you're not genuine.
Agree to disagree
>yeah, it is just a phrase
It is a phrase that has meaning, you changing the phrase wouldn't change the meaning. To swallow one's pride means to do something that hurts your pride, for which you need to have pride. You changing the phrase wouldn't not make it a concession.
>acknowledging her actual issues instead of your made-up ones is not "denying her agency."
Adhd makes it difficult to concentrate, doesn't mean she can't concentrate. She can still concentrate, that's called agency. You're treating her like she is left helpless at the whims of her mental fog.
>that explains your noticeably bad reading comprehension, though.
Yeah I expect apologies btw. Would really behoove you to be more understanding of us neuro atypical folks, instead of trying to neurotypical-splain these issues. Listen and learn.
>adhd is a spectrum, by the way.
so valid
>>self made recluse
I meant that she chooses to be reclusive. Whether she became a recluse because of a lack of attention or she herself fled attention by becoming a recluse is speculation
>>muh efforts don't even exist
Said no one ever. What the fuck has this conversation even devolved to at this point? Nigga I just said that you are the master of your destiny (inb4 corny). You have full agency over what you do and what efforts you undertake. You CAN master difficult tasks, with great difficulty, determined by your inclinations and strengths. Obviously. The point was to say the increased efforts don't strip you of your power to make decisions and accomplish goals. There's fucking wheelchair bound niggas that are athletes. It is within human ability to overcome any effort. Obviously not everybody does, neither do I, and the point wasn't to say everything is trivial. The point is to say no one is helpless (except babies and maya apparently).
>there is no way for her to show attachment
So let me get this straight: You claim she has attachment, when asked about proof, you claim there can never be proof of it. That sounds like an unsupported, unfalsifiable assertion, AKA NOTHING. Besides, I think I gave some supporting arguments that go against this notion already.
>clitler was not alone
And maya isn't homeless, everyone has their own set of shit, bleak circumstances, that's the point (who did shitler even have anyways?)
>didn't accomplish his goal
Killed 6 million jews doe
>humans don't just generate willpower
That's literally what they do. You're just making yourself into an inactive agent if you think otherwise, it's just cope.
>girls are not known for being strong-willed.
Yeah they fucking suck, won't hear a disagreement from me.
>there are reasons, you just don't want to acknowledge them, after all you don't want your narrative built on the back of bitterness and hatred to get shattered, do you?
My narrative is bvilt on stoicism, autism and Andrew Tatism, stop projecting.
>if you deserve love, then you do, it's as shrimple as that.
>if x is true, then x is true.
insightful and sophisticated.
>mfw I get accused of doing something and the person doesn't tell me where I did it
would you actually engage? Take a screenshot or something, I genuinely don't remember making excuses for anyone, that's your role in this conversation!
>angry and hate-filled mind
I am filled with love and flowers. Look at the hostility with which you respond. Your (out)black(lunged) heart is pouring out hate and wrath on your fellow man because he said something bad about a fictional character. Reflect on that.
>I don't hate you
Evident by your writing

not reading all this niggerbable but i invite everyone to a /calm/ session to just calm down and relax this is just a place to hang out after all or something

>>85888
Kinda nuts, I have to say.

>>85891
me after arguing about shit nobody cares about for ongezillion years

>>85896
SNCA is literaly the Zarty, and it's so gemmy

>>85891
this is all just niggerbabble at this point so i'm not going to give it a dignified response.
what a fucking disaster this was, geg, why would you argue with an autist like me for two entire days?
this should be preserved in museums so people can learn to never ever ever ever ever NEVER do this.

>>85903
not that any response you made was dignified or dignifying anyways
>why
I enjoy it, obviously. You?

>>85911
>not that any response you made was dignified or dignifying anyways
i did not enjoy talking to a brick wall, this whole fiasco has made me a much worse person.

>>85915
>gigaquoting yourself
mayafails not like this…

gigaquoting yourself

>>85903
>>>85891
>this is all just niggerbabble at this point so i'm not going to give it a dignified response.
>what a fucking disaster this was, geg, why would you argue with an autist like me for two entire days?
>this should be preserved in museums so people can learn to never ever ever ever ever NEVER do this.
Geeeeg you done sniffing your farts yet faggot? You sound like a I 'm-smarter-and-better-than-you redditcuck. Get a life you retarded shitskin.

>>85945
maya is winned and are gooder than coco and mymy.
at what time was i ever pompous or pretentious?
you're insecure about your own intelligence is all.

>>85957
Coco is superior doebeit

>>85965
MAYA ARE GOODER

>>85973
MAYA ARE GOODER YOU ARE FUCKING SKIN SHIT BROWN NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER

>>85973
notice how coco doesn't look even close like that in the actual show, better yet i bet that nigger bitch puts tons of makeup to make herself look just a bit white i mean i'm sorry but AFRICA? and WHITE? those two (2) things don't really belong in one sentence now do they? so yeah case closed gtfo nigger lover

>>85979
nuzartycacas never heard of afrikaners zoot save us from this mental retardation or something

>>85979
she are right
>>85980
DIE SKIN OF SHIT NEGER

>>85982
what are the fuck is you are doing?
that are not right

>>85987
geg

>>85991
looking like that makes you a gigachad though