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>>32378
>They wouldn't get to Moscow they didn't even take Stalingrad
You completely forgot the topic of discussion, the soviet union only stood because of the western help which started in 1941.
>But le soviets would still stand if pushed back beyond the Urals
No their only functional territories were to the West to Wolga
>We already know what happened in Ukraine
Koch was a slf which doesn't mean he killed ukrainians for being ukrainian. He was merciless and incompetent to cooperate with locals, no ethnic cleansing whatsoever.
>Dirliebanger and 30% of Belarus died due to him
Never happened, if there was 2 mln Belarusians serving in the Red Army, then Belarus would have had not 7, but 5 mln population by 1945. But this wasn't the case. There's no estimation of civil casualties which would say about 2-3 mlns dead, the Polish-Belarusian historian Jury Turonak provided numbers of 100k executed during the "pacifying" actions (the Poles did that before 1939 too, were they slavophobes that wanted to erase the entire slavic population on their lands?), including those who weren the native to the land, or those who weren't ethnically belarusian anyways, add here almost million of kikes living in there vast majority of who had been killed and you get your 20-30% civic "ccasualties (actually only a lack of population not exactly casualties) which we see in 1944-45. In 1950 it was almost 8 mln btw. I mean the population. 2-3 mln people were born for 5 years? Unimaginable lmao.
>Le plan holoc-ost
Himmler was never responsible for the Eastern politics nor any of his ministries (here I'm not even going to argue what his personal plans were or what the GPOst was or anything near that). Rosenberg was in charge, his opinion matters. Regarding Mein Kampf, it never says about conquering all land even until the Urals or something, in reality, the Nazis could only resettle already mixed (and historically) German parts of Poland (Warteland and territories near Danzig) with those "extra" Germans they had back then (the volksdeutschen they took back from their eattern enclaves in the midst of the slavs and balts).
>>32382
Dirlewanger was a doctor (phd?) btw, everything they tell you about him is basically one big lie, his formation was initially consisted of german poachers, and after 39-41 it became mostly slavic (specifically ukrainian) due to... due to the war and the extreme need in supplementary fodder for their troops (also muh slavs were more effective when it came to fighting in their own land).
>They wouldn't get to Moscow they didn't even take Stalingrad
You completely forgot the topic of discussion, the soviet union only stood because of the western help which started in 1941.
>But le soviets would still stand if pushed back beyond the Urals
No their only functional territories were to the West to Wolga
>We already know what happened in Ukraine
Koch was a slf which doesn't mean he killed ukrainians for being ukrainian. He was merciless and incompetent to cooperate with locals, no ethnic cleansing whatsoever.
>Dirliebanger and 30% of Belarus died due to him
Never happened, if there was 2 mln Belarusians serving in the Red Army, then Belarus would have had not 7, but 5 mln population by 1945. But this wasn't the case. There's no estimation of civil casualties which would say about 2-3 mlns dead, the Polish-Belarusian historian Jury Turonak provided numbers of 100k executed during the "pacifying" actions (the Poles did that before 1939 too, were they slavophobes that wanted to erase the entire slavic population on their lands?), including those who weren the native to the land, or those who weren't ethnically belarusian anyways, add here almost million of kikes living in there vast majority of who had been killed and you get your 20-30% civic "ccasualties (actually only a lack of population not exactly casualties) which we see in 1944-45. In 1950 it was almost 8 mln btw. I mean the population. 2-3 mln people were born for 5 years? Unimaginable lmao.
>Le plan holoc-ost
Himmler was never responsible for the Eastern politics nor any of his ministries (here I'm not even going to argue what his personal plans were or what the GPOst was or anything near that). Rosenberg was in charge, his opinion matters. Regarding Mein Kampf, it never says about conquering all land even until the Urals or something, in reality, the Nazis could only resettle already mixed (and historically) German parts of Poland (Warteland and territories near Danzig) with those "extra" Germans they had back then (the volksdeutschen they took back from their eattern enclaves in the midst of the slavs and balts).
>>32382
Dirlewanger was a doctor (phd?) btw, everything they tell you about him is basically one big lie, his formation was initially consisted of german poachers, and after 39-41 it became mostly slavic (specifically ukrainian) due to... due to the war and the extreme need in supplementary fodder for their troops (also muh slavs were more effective when it came to fighting in their own land).
>>32389
>You completely forgot the topic of discussion, the soviet union only stood because of the western help which started in 1941.
No it fucking didn't the Soviets where outproducing the Germans they had a stronger industry the only thing western aid did was at best end the war a year earlier
>No their only functional territories were to the West to Wolga
The Soviets where moving their industry to places like Magnitogorsk and Chelyabinsk places where the Germans would never be able to reach
>Koch and Dirlewanger
The whole reason they were brought up was because of the claim that the German atrocities in the East were specifically targeted at jews which they weren't. The Germans were horrible to both Jews and the Slavic population living in the area. The Germans themselves said that they were originally treated as liberators but at the end of the war the partisans in the region were overwhelming
>>Le plan holoc-ost
Hitler specifically said that he wanted to settle Germans in the Russian territories not only Poland
He also said that the Slavs were subhuman he also was a eugenicist
So yeah "Le plan holoc-ost" was in fact real and the treatment of the occupied territories proves it
>You completely forgot the topic of discussion, the soviet union only stood because of the western help which started in 1941.
No it fucking didn't the Soviets where outproducing the Germans they had a stronger industry the only thing western aid did was at best end the war a year earlier
>No their only functional territories were to the West to Wolga
The Soviets where moving their industry to places like Magnitogorsk and Chelyabinsk places where the Germans would never be able to reach
>Koch and Dirlewanger
The whole reason they were brought up was because of the claim that the German atrocities in the East were specifically targeted at jews which they weren't. The Germans were horrible to both Jews and the Slavic population living in the area. The Germans themselves said that they were originally treated as liberators but at the end of the war the partisans in the region were overwhelming
>>Le plan holoc-ost
Hitler specifically said that he wanted to settle Germans in the Russian territories not only Poland
He also said that the Slavs were subhuman he also was a eugenicist
So yeah "Le plan holoc-ost" was in fact real and the treatment of the occupied territories proves it
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>>32404
Albeit USSR leaders admit they would've lost without lend-lease
Albeit USSR leaders admit they would've lost without lend-lease
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