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>>6284
this looks really retarded, it still has the exact same problems as the original PC has. It clumps up totally contradictory ideologies in the left-right divide, you might as well not have that divide at all. At least it gets rid of fake ideologies such as Anarcho-Communism or Authoritarian-Capitalism
this looks really retarded, it still has the exact same problems as the original PC has. It clumps up totally contradictory ideologies in the left-right divide, you might as well not have that divide at all. At least it gets rid of fake ideologies such as Anarcho-Communism or Authoritarian-Capitalism
>>6285
revolutionary-conservative has got nothing to do with left-right you braindead mongrel
revolutionary-conservative has got nothing to do with left-right you braindead mongrel
>>6289
classification of ideologies based on tradeoffs between three values makes much more sense than "everything I don't like is left wing"
classification of ideologies based on tradeoffs between three values makes much more sense than "everything I don't like is left wing"
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>>6290
Says you, the graduate from reddit.
It's quite literally exactly what it means. Kill yourself.
Says you, the graduate from reddit.
It's quite literally exactly what it means. Kill yourself.
>>6291
okay? Not my point. Remove the left-right divide completely, it is meaningless in that framework. Any definition of the left-right divide that clumps together literal Anarchists and Absolutists is retarded. The Capitalism-Socialism one is the best, but it also doesn't really fit that triangle. Honestly, now that I look deeper into it, I think it's ok. The labels and position of figures/nations is REALLY retarded though; look at China, for example
okay? Not my point. Remove the left-right divide completely, it is meaningless in that framework. Any definition of the left-right divide that clumps together literal Anarchists and Absolutists is retarded. The Capitalism-Socialism one is the best, but it also doesn't really fit that triangle. Honestly, now that I look deeper into it, I think it's ok. The labels and position of figures/nations is REALLY retarded though; look at China, for example
>>6293
>Remove the left-right divide completely
You can ignore it and that's what you should do, it is meaningless and always boils down to "this is bad according to my moral framework"
>Remove the left-right divide completely
You can ignore it and that's what you should do, it is meaningless and always boils down to "this is bad according to my moral framework"
>>6293
>The labels and position of figures/nations is REALLY retarded though; look at China, for example
I agree with this one, it's communist only in name
>The labels and position of figures/nations is REALLY retarded though; look at China, for example
I agree with this one, it's communist only in name
>>6292
you're such a stupid mongrel, wow. meanings change and evolve over time, the socialist-capitalist one is consistent, always. The one you propose is useless is any modern political sense; tradition is linked only to a small niche of retarded conservatives without any real economic or political-structure values, while equality can mean anything you want depending on what you believe to constitute true equality. The historical roots are irrelevant for our discussion you stupid mongrel
you're such a stupid mongrel, wow. meanings change and evolve over time, the socialist-capitalist one is consistent, always. The one you propose is useless is any modern political sense; tradition is linked only to a small niche of retarded conservatives without any real economic or political-structure values, while equality can mean anything you want depending on what you believe to constitute true equality. The historical roots are irrelevant for our discussion you stupid mongrel
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>>6294
If you are really keen on having those labels, they should look like this:
If you are really keen on having those labels, they should look like this:
>>6295
China is pretty much Fascist, which is why they're not a complete shithole; Fascism is bad, but it is still 10x better than Communism
China is pretty much Fascist, which is why they're not a complete shithole; Fascism is bad, but it is still 10x better than Communism
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>>6296
>words don't mean what they were originally coined to mean, they mean whatever shitty reddit memes tell me they mean
What are you, 14 and down syndrome?
>words don't mean what they were originally coined to mean, they mean whatever shitty reddit memes tell me they mean
What are you, 14 and down syndrome?
>>6296
You admit that the meaning of left and right are fluid throughout time and context.
You insist upon left and right being determined by economic framework, however the contemporary meanings of left and right are not solely defined by economic systems, furthermore ideology is not reducible to a single aspect.
It does not matter what definition academics come up with for a term, what matters is how people use the term in real life. In real life left and right aren't only about economic systems, but about an ideology as a whole.
That being said, I believe left-right is too simplistic to fully encapsulate ideology, although it can be useful to determine enemy-friend distinction in some cases.
If you want to have clear communication you should use the terms socialist-capitalist instead, however you use left-right because that has more moral weight to people compared to socialist-capitalist.
You admit that the meaning of left and right are fluid throughout time and context.
You insist upon left and right being determined by economic framework, however the contemporary meanings of left and right are not solely defined by economic systems, furthermore ideology is not reducible to a single aspect.
It does not matter what definition academics come up with for a term, what matters is how people use the term in real life. In real life left and right aren't only about economic systems, but about an ideology as a whole.
That being said, I believe left-right is too simplistic to fully encapsulate ideology, although it can be useful to determine enemy-friend distinction in some cases.
If you want to have clear communication you should use the terms socialist-capitalist instead, however you use left-right because that has more moral weight to people compared to socialist-capitalist.
>>6300
kys mongrel
>>6301
fair. I agree honestly, but I still believe pushing the left-right distinction as socialism-capitalism is worth it. The left-right dichotomy will not die anytime soon, and it is currently used in the mainstream as right = everything bad for the neoliberal status quo, and left = everything useful-idiot-like for the neoliberal status quo. The right-wing fascism and nazism narrative has established itself on people's head definitively, so they now use it to attack capitalism as analogous to nazism or some other retarded collectivist shit like that (some even go as far to claim that Stalin was capitalist), so pushing something as consistent and easy as the socialism-capitalism division into the left-right divide is worth it in the end
kys mongrel
>>6301
fair. I agree honestly, but I still believe pushing the left-right distinction as socialism-capitalism is worth it. The left-right dichotomy will not die anytime soon, and it is currently used in the mainstream as right = everything bad for the neoliberal status quo, and left = everything useful-idiot-like for the neoliberal status quo. The right-wing fascism and nazism narrative has established itself on people's head definitively, so they now use it to attack capitalism as analogous to nazism or some other retarded collectivist shit like that (some even go as far to claim that Stalin was capitalist), so pushing something as consistent and easy as the socialism-capitalism division into the left-right divide is worth it in the end
>>6301
> furthermore ideology is not reducible to a single aspect.
although this is pretty irrelevant and doesn't go against anything I've said.
> In real life left and right aren't only about economic systems, but about an ideology as a whole.
which is why we should change it, and the left-right dichotomy does not stem exclusively from top-down or bottom-up action, its current form is only useful for retarded neoliberals and progressists
> furthermore ideology is not reducible to a single aspect.
although this is pretty irrelevant and doesn't go against anything I've said.
> In real life left and right aren't only about economic systems, but about an ideology as a whole.
which is why we should change it, and the left-right dichotomy does not stem exclusively from top-down or bottom-up action, its current form is only useful for retarded neoliberals and progressists
>>6288
>whatever, they're both dead
And? Who cares if they're dead, was more right and adaptive than people thing. Evendoe he was a homosexual.
>we are talking about ideological postulates
Then czarism isn't even an ideology, that's just the word commie use to say "monarchy is le bad"
>fuhrerprinzip
>we will place people at coordinates not because of their deeds, but because of what they say.
>you can't, the concept of human rights doesn't allow that in fullness
Republicanism isn't about human rights though. It's about election, no matter who or how elects.
>whatever, they're both dead
And? Who cares if they're dead, was more right and adaptive than people thing. Evendoe he was a homosexual.
>we are talking about ideological postulates
Then czarism isn't even an ideology, that's just the word commie use to say "monarchy is le bad"
>fuhrerprinzip
>we will place people at coordinates not because of their deeds, but because of what they say.
>you can't, the concept of human rights doesn't allow that in fullness
Republicanism isn't about human rights though. It's about election, no matter who or how elects.
>>6296
>meanings change and evolve over time, the socialist-capitalist one is consistent, always
Jesus Christ, socialist-capitalist one is consistent even though it was made up by bunch of leftists in 19th century and never was correct. Let's make it more clear: everything that goes against traditional foundation is revolutionary and leftist. "Capitalism" itself, in the definition of a market economy, isn't left but if you trying to push your liberal degenaracy labeled as "TRVE capitalism" it will still remain a liberal degeneracy.
>meanings change and evolve over time, the socialist-capitalist one is consistent, always
Jesus Christ, socialist-capitalist one is consistent even though it was made up by bunch of leftists in 19th century and never was correct. Let's make it more clear: everything that goes against traditional foundation is revolutionary and leftist. "Capitalism" itself, in the definition of a market economy, isn't left but if you trying to push your liberal degenaracy labeled as "TRVE capitalism" it will still remain a liberal degeneracy.
>>6309
I meant consistent as in it works-consistent, not consistent throughout time as a concept.
> Let's make it more clear: everything that goes against traditional foundation is revolutionary and leftist
subjective. How far back would you trace that foundation? Let's say you set it at the birth of the left-right divide; this would mean 99.999% of the population nowadays is leftist
>but if you trying to push your liberal degenaracy labeled as "TRVE capitalism"
??? A market economy requires freedom, freedom allows degeneracy as long as it doesn't infringe on other's rights
I meant consistent as in it works-consistent, not consistent throughout time as a concept.
> Let's make it more clear: everything that goes against traditional foundation is revolutionary and leftist
subjective. How far back would you trace that foundation? Let's say you set it at the birth of the left-right divide; this would mean 99.999% of the population nowadays is leftist
>but if you trying to push your liberal degenaracy labeled as "TRVE capitalism"
??? A market economy requires freedom, freedom allows degeneracy as long as it doesn't infringe on other's rights
>>6310
>I meant consistent as in it works-consistent, not consistent throughout time as a concept.
Still never worked in fact, one dimension is not enough to describe an ideology.
>subjective. How far back would you trace that foundation?
It doesn't goes back, it goes right. We still have the same traditions, only details change.
>Let's say you set it at the birth of the left-right divide; this would mean 99.999% of the population nowadays is leftist
No, I don't need to set it at the birth of the left-right devide. As I have said, we still have the same traditions. Anyone, who declines it and tries to find something new is leftist. Those, who accept it and build their nation in accordance with tradition are rightists.
>I meant consistent as in it works-consistent, not consistent throughout time as a concept.
Still never worked in fact, one dimension is not enough to describe an ideology.
>subjective. How far back would you trace that foundation?
It doesn't goes back, it goes right. We still have the same traditions, only details change.
>Let's say you set it at the birth of the left-right divide; this would mean 99.999% of the population nowadays is leftist
No, I don't need to set it at the birth of the left-right devide. As I have said, we still have the same traditions. Anyone, who declines it and tries to find something new is leftist. Those, who accept it and build their nation in accordance with tradition are rightists.
>>6311
>dimension is not enough to describe an ideology.
no one's describing an ideology zigger
>it goes right.
zigger die
>tradition
whose tradition you dictate? Again, it is subjective. That left-right divide is the ziggerest shit ever, its awful
>dimension is not enough to describe an ideology.
no one's describing an ideology zigger
>it goes right.
zigger die
>tradition
whose tradition you dictate? Again, it is subjective. That left-right divide is the ziggerest shit ever, its awful
>>6312
>no one's describing an ideology
What the fuck then you mean by left\right? That's a political system.
>whose tradition you dictate?
Every ethnic group has its traditions, oh my God, how brainwashed lefties can be
>Again, it is subjective.
>No, in this left\right devide I will be a leftist and I want to call myself right so u wrong. Mmmmmmm macaco soup, yum yum.
>no one's describing an ideology
What the fuck then you mean by left\right? That's a political system.
>whose tradition you dictate?
Every ethnic group has its traditions, oh my God, how brainwashed lefties can be
>Again, it is subjective.
>No, in this left\right devide I will be a leftist and I want to call myself right so u wrong. Mmmmmmm macaco soup, yum yum.
>>6310
>this would mean 99.999% of the population nowadays is leftist
No you dimwit. People live under governments, of which you could say 99% are leftist (most countries are some sort of facade democracy), and as people can only politically operate within the purview of the government they're under, they can only engage in leftist governance (voting, running for elections etc.) But that doesn't mean right wing positions can't be had within this purview. Anything championing tradition, even within leftist governing bodies, is right wing.
>this would mean 99.999% of the population nowadays is leftist
No you dimwit. People live under governments, of which you could say 99% are leftist (most countries are some sort of facade democracy), and as people can only politically operate within the purview of the government they're under, they can only engage in leftist governance (voting, running for elections etc.) But that doesn't mean right wing positions can't be had within this purview. Anything championing tradition, even within leftist governing bodies, is right wing.
nah cause have this shit on the website was confusing and it took an hour to know what all of them met
(i took National socialist for Denmark?? :3333).
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