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>>20646 Beholding is what humans do which machines cannot. It's an abstract concept but you should be able to grasp it so long as you're conscious. It's the fact that a human doesn't just process information given to it (as a calculator would), he beholds it in a distinct manner not replicated by machines. A computer doesn't have an internal picture to what it's camera is "seeing", it just has a string of bites it preforms calculations on. The human experience is fundamentally different to the cold calculator that the machine is. The human state of not only taking in information and providing a response, but the ability to perceive the world, feel it, think of it and feel it. Not just simulate emotional responses as a machine would be made to, but truly behold emotions, behold what our eyes are seeing, not just use it in an internal calculator to compute a response. If I smash a machine I know there is no consciousness being destroyed, it won't feel anything, nothing changes. The machine can kick and scream but I know it isn't beholding anything and is only responding according to programming. It's cold. But if I kill a person I know there's a consciousness that will cease to be, a beholder than will cease to behold the world. It's not just a calculator I'm shutting down it's an experience I'm killing. This is an idea otherwordly and as such I cannot get it trough to you unless you get it. And the excavator example misses the point entirely, it's embarrassing. The hole in the ground is the outcome, I'm not arguing outcome, on the contrary. I'm arguing that the outcome can be the same and as such deceiving. The Chinese person isn't actually talking to you, he isn't aware of what he's saying. He may appear aware and intelligent but he's basically a formula. The point of it is to say you aren't actually engaging with an intelligent entity, but only what is designed to appear intelligent. If you ask a rude question and the answer that you get sounds upset, you didn't actually upset anyone or anything. The Chinese person in this case is a stand in for a machine, he's cold and unfelling. He doesn't actually engage with you as a conscious person but as a formula, an algorithm. The door can fool you into thinking it's aware of what's going on but in reality it's just a calculator for input/output, nothing more. The Chinese person (or machine) doesn't grasp what is being discussed, the information means nothing to him. The way the information is handled is fundamentally different compared to how an English speaker would handle it, and behold it. >This is just a matter of intelligence and people also differ in their ability to infer patterns from the data. The point of it wasn't to pit someone who's brain is practically disabled against an AI but to point out the difference in perception. A person can observe a wholistic picture, rather than compute memory cells. This allows a person to get a lot more from a single image compared to a calculator.